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My view on the world prevents me from being really happy about Barack Obama becoming president. We have reached a point as humans where very powerful people have a lot of influence and accompanying that influence is tremendous might, and destructive power. I am talking about Nuclear Weapons, chemical weapons, bombs, submarines that shoot missiles that blow people and buildings apart, planes that drop absolutely dreadful devices that explode and tear apart humans. What I don't like is the Government. I do not like that this institution that has the means to enforce its beliefs via these types of devices. It is pretty obvious that across the planet there are folks who have a lot of power themselves do not agree with the United States, and also possess devices that destroy human beings. So, no longer being tolerant of the existence of dreadful, scary weapons that explode and tear apart tissues and ligaments and muscle, I cannot be in support of anyone who has command over a military who possess such weapons. Guns kill people. Bombs kill people. They are barbaric, devillish, awful devices that I have come to believe Humans should no longer require to sort out their differences. I cannot support ANYONE who thinks their existence is OK for even a second. I have seen too many pictures of maimed children and I do not want to see anymore. The answer is not to fight against those who would choose to use them against us. The answer is to appreciate, live and love life as it is while we have it, and do nothing more. If life brings killing we can't respond to it with more killing. You don't extinguish a fire with gasoline. |
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i thought my existence was ok for a few seconds is that bad? |
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btw you should consider rethinking your shit because i know you are wrong and i can prove it to you with theory |
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I think you should feel like your existence is OK for your whole life man. No, that's not bad. |
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one good thing about WATMM and other boards is that its easier to post picture when you really need to. |
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I have thought it over and over, my friend. You can't really say "Peace!" while holding a gun! You can't be in charge of a military that kills a bunch of kids, and then say, "Tolerance!" Can you? |
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why? |
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cygnus is right. thanks, cygnus. |
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war is not pretty, and more people should be exposed to a non sanitized picture of what war looks like. disarmament is not easy, though, and maybe not entirely smart. i agree, in a modern global society we should be moving away from the idea of conquests, but there is still a real need for countries to have a system of defense. |
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defense vs the ability to destroy humanity many times over is much different. |
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cygnus is right that it would be nice, if everyone could just get along, but to say you don't support the military AT ALL because those weapons exist is terribly naive. do we just lay down our guns, open our borders, give everyone a flower and hope for the best? should there be police? the military is just a larger version of the police, really. can you condone the existence of one and not the other? maybe everyone should have just billy clubs and a whistle. |
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War is completely dreadful. Disarmament is actually very easy, it is easier than creating armament. Guns can be smashed and compacted just like cars! Thousands of cars are actually smashed and compacted into tiny cubes every day and then sent off to have their materials recycled. I say that there is no need to fear anything. I do not think there is a reason to defend. There is the need to appreciate the short, fleeting existence as a human being that we have, and that's it. Even if our death comes swiftly and unfairly, at least we did not end more lives trying to "defend" our own. Defending by keeping guns and missiles and bombs is like trying to prevent catching on fire by dousing yourself in gasoline. If you want to paint a wall with Red paint, you do not use Green paint. If you want to spread Peace, I question whether you really can do that with all that military power behind you! |
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>> do we just lay down our guns, open our borders, give everyone a flower and hope for the best? Guns kill people. Don't they? You certainly wouldn't have to open the borders ALL the way but at least don't have army rangers standing there ready to shoot someone! Police are fine! But guns, man! Guns and billy clubs hurt people. It hurts to be hit by a billy club or shot by a gun. |
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The media sucks. |
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So what do you think about Obama, then? It seems you left him behind after your first sentence in this thread! |
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oh right sorry, not even billy clubs. maybe they can talk them out of whatever they want to do. here is the thing. nature, is red in tooth and claw, and so are people. sometimes people get hurt, sometimes they die. we just cannot say everyone on the count of 3 because the other people aren't going to put theirs down when we say 3. actually, nuclear weapons and other wmds are disarmed in this way. russia disarms some, and we do, and so on. of course this is in a time of peace, don't think that is happening right now. i agree with the idea of it not being enough to just survive, but also to be worthy of surviving. i get that, but i am not going to go so far as pure pacifism, either. |
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What I think about Obama is that he does not represent the spirit of Peace, Tolerance, Acceptance or Oneness as much as Bush did. I think he is no different than Bush. I saw some of the most awful, unforgettable images from the clashes in Baghdad, Fallujah, Afghanistan and other places where women, young men, children were just maimed and torn apart and laid out on streets just dead and never coming back to their families. They were killed by weapons used by the military. So, Barack is in this seat of power where he has more influence than he ever has in his entire life, and he has said nothing about setting an example to the rest of the world by completely disarming the military. That is the only thing that a president can do! That is the essence of tolerance, and peace. Isn't it? Barack is not for peace or hope. He has said, "To our enemies, know that we will defeat you." If you are a rational thinking adult with a working brain, you can dissect that statement, and read it properly as, "It will be necessary to kill some more people." I say, No More Killing ANYBODY! |
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And you might say, "Well, he's almost completely for peace and hope. He is on the way there. He's an improvement over Bush." Come on. If you are rescuing a drowning person you don't pull them to just-below the surface of the water. You bring them to the surface. |
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completely disarming the military is completely impossible. it won't happen. however, bringing down the nukes and wmds from having enough nukes and wmds etc to destroy the planet over and over and over again to a realistic level of defense is something that should be reached. it won't, though. |
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give the guy a fucking chance first! i think he is at least a return to normal after 8 years of treating the planet like a gigantic game of RISK, ffs. i think we're gonna be less warlike now because iraq was such a huge screw up anyway. |
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Nature is brutal. Nature is about, "Survival of the fittest." Humans are so bright and intelligent though. What humans should realize by now is that no matter how long we prolong our lives, and no matter how short we cut the lives of others in the hopes of prolonging our lives, we eventually die. There may be "Survival of the Fittest", but humans are capable of realizing that even the fittest survivors die off in the end. The T-Rex may have been the most poweful dinosaur on the planet, but a meteor still destroyed all of them. |
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Most automatic rifles, sidearms, missiles and bombs are made of metals and some plastics. Those materials are easy crushed and recycled. The explosive compounds that are inside those devices can be diffused easily using other chemical compounds, and other processes. There are also plenty of laboratories and unused spaces across the planet where this can be done in a safe, quick way where humans won't get hurt by them accidentally. I actually do not care if the whole world is destroyed multiple times over. If I die, I don't care. There is no continuity for this body. The chemicals that its made up of will diffuse eventually, anyway, and my memories of everything that are largely responsible for my personality are going to disappear too as if it never happened. The realization of this is actually responsible for all of the tolerance I have for the world I'm apart of. I have no desire to make a copy of myself. If no one agrees with me, that's perfectly fine. I think if a man has a desire for every man around him to be like himself, then that will eventually end up in dispute, conflict, and eventually (if it escalates to it), maiming and murder. I can,however imagine a world where everyone is like me and I don't see anyone holding guns or blowing up kids or cheering on a guy who orders a plane to drop a bomb on some kids. I do not support Obama because he has sworn to command soldiers instead of disarm soldiers. |
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If the world goes up in nuclear flames, let's all remember that we elected yet another person who promised we would defend "Peace" and "Tolerance" and "Hope" with the very antithesis of those concepts: guns and bombs and military might! |
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my point was more the number of nukes, wmds, etc is enough to destroy the planet numerous times. obviously after the world is destroyed once it won't much matter what happens next... a goal we should have is to draw those down to a level that seems reasonable for defense at the very least. these weapons shouldn't exist. you see how much damage war can do without the use of nuclear weapons so it only stands to reason having them won't help anything. however, its unrealistic to see anything like that happening so i'm just saying striving for a drastically reduced number of them seems reasonable. it just doesn't seem realistic though no matter who gets elected. |
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he hasn't fuking done anything yet. Get off his penif. |
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i'm too ill to read this thread. i read the first post. this is all bollocks. it's naive. humanity is so much more complex than this idealistic rubbish. it's so short sighted to completely poopoo every little change just because it's not a complete turn around. it's spoilt tbh. we are the morally fat bastards that are all like;"give me more peace, love and happiness right now". but you cannot ask that of humanity. things are moving so fast and people are learning so quick, and you just say NOT GOOD ENOUGH because there are still weapons that hurt people?!!! as long as there is any kind of conflict of interest or a disagreement that cannot be settled with words, then we fight. the only way we'll have no weapons is if the whole world settled everything with words, like some fucking sickening anger management circle toss. everyone wants utopia and people are so comfy and detached from the realities of life that you actually have the audacity to demand it now, when 50 years ago the obamas of this world were lynched, beaten, excluded from society. 50 years and now we're here, please have more respect. sorry tho i still like you loads :) |
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It's really not. I feel really sad and I have a strong emotional reaction at pictures of dead kids and moms and soldiers. Is that spoiled that I don't want to see another one? Ok well I guess I'll take 5 more... or maybe 10 more.... 100 more... uhmm.. how many more do we have to look at? as long as there is any kind of conflict of interest or a disagreement that cannot be settled with words, then we fight. That is so barbaric, old, and so easily preventable. Even with some of the largest conflicts that happen on the planet, because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have to shoot them or shove them or whatever, it's all about tolerance. The real "winner" is the one who surrenders, the one without fear. The fearful one is the one holding the gun and pointing the tanks at the houses and the schools! i like you too ampi max |
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its unrealistic to see anything like that happening Do you think that 500 years ago it would have been realistic to imagine you can kill millions of people with a push of a button? Well, we attained that possibility. So, I don't think it's unrealistic that the opposite can be attained again, and even more You know? I never look away from the unrealistic, because the unrealistic always seems to become real. |
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what motivates the people who decide to kill or start wars? that won't stop. greed, fear, power, revenge, and etc are powerful motivators. |
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My view is: Obama = Good, correct politician. Only problem is, I don't think he'll be very successful due to: -Massive media hype covering him for the last few months. -Other world leaders being ignorant As you said Cygnus, there's a lot of evil out there. One man, unfortunately, can't stamp it out. |
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Fear is behind all of those. It's the belief that something is wrong and should be righted somehow. It is a non-acceptance of something that is happening, has happened, or is going to happen. It is immediately manifested as stress, tensing muscles, frowning, and restlessness in a human being. It is the opposite of relaxing. The body is torn apart by fear. Do you know that if you are falling from a tree branch you are likely to cause 90% of the damage that happens to you by tensing your muscles in fear? Naturally, the body will just gracefully fall like a rag doll and bounce. Fear causes muscles to tense and bones are broken because you are bracing your entire body. You fall and break like ice instead of spreading like water. Fear is the motivator for all of it. And it's contagious, it's like a sickness. The body emits fumes when it's afraid. It's this hideous, bright, stink that everybody can smell. Pheromones are emitted when you are frightened and other people can smell it. Animals can. So, the tranquilizer is acceptance and tolerance. Instead of spreading more fear. Putting the guns and tanks and body-shredding explosives away is probably all we need to do to get rid of national fear. After that, it probably falls like dominoes. We all relax. Relaxation should be spread just like fear should. I do not see this being difficult. Actually, the more difficult people think it is, the easier it's likelier to actually be, IMO! |
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alright i'll do this. i'm ill and no one ever understands but i'll do it. it is spoilt. because it really wasn't long ago that we were all scratching around in the dirt, hurt and hungry. so many people with so much pain and no way to understand any of it really, because it was so huge. there would have been so much sadness and rape and anger and blood and guilt. how did we pick ourselves up and try to be better? it's a fucking miracle really. many years later we're sitting here saying that things are the worst they've ever been, that things aren't getting better fast enough. the bodies are sad but there are so many less, so many less. you're saying you don't want any, stomping your foot and screaming that life should be nicer right now. instead of understanding the tragic nature of us poor soft fleshy lil things, you believe we should be god like, completely pure. it's just too impatient. but i understand, you and me live in a world where we were taught to feel this outrage. shit man, you just want things to be good and i do too. it's not like i sit and watch the blood clotting on the sandy streets of iraq and think 'why try harder'. but you have to be patient and respect a change like obama and understand why weapons and military and innocent deaths are all part of the slow painstaking climb to a better life. one day we'll have less of those things as long as we keep faith in the hard working people who contribute these small but precious changes. i admire your empathy (i'm not being patronising) but accept that it takes a very long time to change one person, let alone a country. america and the whole world still has so many ugly mind sets and stupid prejudices to battle past, but 50 years ago there were many more. today really is a miracle for so many, join in bruv ;) |
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I'll post this again in the vain hope that somebody reads it Also.. "Obama = Good, correct politician." Haha. |
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the world is in war like it has been in the past, but you don't perceive it. |
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The world is separated by societies and large amounts of populations. Connections are what we need, not separatons. |
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When a separaton meets a togetherton, they are annihilated and energy is released. This is the principle of the Obama warp drive. |
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Obama can't lose. america is at rock bottom, the only way is up. If he can't turn the economy round he'll blame everything on bush, if he does he's a hero. And he will, because america is cash rich plus they've sunk every other country on the way down. They will rise to the top ahead of everyone else again probably. As a politician, he seems very similar to Tony Blair - intelligent, polished, great speaker. But they're the ones you need to watch, they can talk their way out of anything, and Americans are so fucking gullable. He'll walk all over them. |
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sieg nuess: you can't draw a line in the sand and expect the world to conform to your wishes. do what you can to promote your ideals, and try to understand more clearly the source of those ideals. there's a reason that there was no one who represented your ideals on the ballot. i'm in tune with your ideals, but wait until the iron is hot to start swinging your hammer. thanks, pz |
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About time some white rich fcuk isnt in the house |
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this is kind of like saying someone who owns a gun is a murderer even if its never been fired. |
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Cygnus is jealous. He's made some MAD beats on a pretend Machinedrum. It doesn't matter. |
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let the rhythm hit 'em. |
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I don't have an opinion and I never watch the news so I have no idea what is going on in the world, I like to stay in my own reality microcosm existence and worry about my own life. although it is exciting when i hear about bombs and nuclear attacks or floods, fires ect I might tune it then and enjoy some exciting news with a cup of tea. |
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plaidzebra its not that id want anyone to conform to my wishes, i just think warlike behavior is so barbaric and outdated. its got to go! saskrotch = do you see obama pulling apart the military and getting world leaders together and just saying "lets get rid of all the guns and tanks and take all that money and put it into medicine and research" ? Do you really see him doing that? He's on that afghanistan "defense" shit like bush was... also I heard him talking about Syria the other day |
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I don't worry so much about Obama.. If anything I worry that he's /too/ passionate and might end up changing too much for the worse.. As for war, I think a lot of people value your sentiments in this thread, but hey, we can't change the world in 1 day. Most people in the western world do not want war, and the really terrible stuff is isolated to worse parts in the world, where there are long on-going conflicts.. Europe is pretty much completely peaceful now.. As is the United States and Canada.. I believe that maybe the whole world could be included in the free market and the treaties one day, but it sure as heck ain't going to happen in one week, or even 1 decade.. Then we could all fuck each other up and go global nuclear war, but that's stretching it a bit too. Whatever the case may be, I think you should always hold your principles of peace.. Maybe I'm being naive, but the less aggressive assholes we have in this world the better, maybe not because it helps against wars, but because it helps us in our daily lives here in the western world.. The great psychological and societal shift so many are searching for might just end up a self fulfilling prophecy one day.. |
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"saskrotch = do you see obama pulling apart the military and getting world leaders together and just saying "lets get rid of all the guns and tanks and take all that money and put it into medicine and research" ? Do you really see him doing that? " do you think world peace is actually an attainable goal? it would be fucking awesome, but its never going to happen, because there will always be someone, somewhere, pissed about something, and ready to use lethal force to do something about it. i am not pro-war, just pro-reasonable thinking. |
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i also want to say that there is absolutely no connection between what i said and what you asked me regarding it |
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I don't think Obama's a dove, but I also don't think he's going to be starting a war on Iran as some people are saying. Note that the proper preposition to use is "on" rather than "with", because America only wages war ON people it knows it can overwhelm (even though Iran would be a lot tougher than Iraq). It never starts a war "with" any country. Otherwise they would have attacked Russia and China already. But that's not the point. Obama's the point. Or is it war? Well, forget about Obama for a moment, war needs to end. War is a mistake. It's an illness. It's a planetary cancer, sometimes localized, sometimes global (like a whole-body leukemia or AIDS syndrome). Hate, fear and war are self-defeating. They don't even exist. They are shadows, mere shadows. Only goodness/God exists, and she is love. |
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"do you see obama pulling apart the military and getting world leaders together and just saying "lets get rid of all the guns and tanks and take all that money and put it into medicine and research" ? Do you really see him doing that?" wow. that really is completely unrealistic. you don't understand human nature if you think it could ever be that easy. |
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i'm very glad to hear you say that. |
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