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Well, take a look at this video on youtube.. its long and all but interesting.. but to give a summary for those who dont watch it, he basically says he sees the us becoming more and more totalitarian, and that theres is an increasing amount of police brutality with soft punishment for the cops involved.. so im asking americans and non americans alike, could the us become totalitarian at some point? theres been A LOT of talk about the nwo, police, government, and how all this ties in with history, 911, and foreign policy. im still very confused about what to make of all this. right now to me it seems like the police brutality episodes are mostly rogue cops who are violent and stupid, and that this has no ties to any totalitarian things.. and with obama coming in, people arguing socialism is coming to the us bigtime, well its all very confusing. it also seems like this is one of the most important eras of human history, like never seen before.. and with the resource and financial crisis, it seems like this isnt the best time to just be a regular unprotected civilian walking about.. what do you all think is going to happen? is doomsday a realistic view? |
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you wouldn't believe the kinds of people they let become cops here. i don't know if theres an eventual totalitarian u.s. on the horizon but we should stop allowing sociopaths with an ego complex to wear badges and carry guns. its scary. |
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Totalitarianism is the least of our worries, and not a certain thing as of yet. The thing we have to worry more about is a New World Order, and believe me, it's coming unless we fight hard to stop it. This is no conspiracy theory... they ARE working towards it. The issue of police brutality comes from a number of sources: the inability to fund good police training so cops know their limits, the bureaucratic inefficiency of local, state, and federal law "prevention" organizations, and lack of the American People's knowledge of the constitution and THEIR rights as citizens. |
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all i can say is this shit happened only two trains stops from me. |
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It seems Owen Wilson had an haircut ... _____ |
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all i gotta say is............ no shit? |
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they should make the stun guns a bright color or something so they can't use that excuse again |
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just a couple notes: yeah theres some bad cops, but there are a lot of good ones too. I worked at a pizza place for 9 years where a lot of cops came for dinner and made a lot of conversation with them. They're people too. I feel that generally if you treat them like a an actual person rather than an enemy they'll reciprocate. One of them even let me off for (minor) speeding since he recognized me from the restaurant. I don't think America is anywhere close to a police state. If you're an honest, good person, with a little luck you'll live an honest, good life here (current economic issues aside). People, especially people from foreign countries tend to make it sound so much worse than it is. Regarding the incident in Oakland: yeah, that cop seems like a bad seed. Bad seeds are everywhere, in every profession and I hope he gets whats coming to him ...BUT: I'd also like to point out the hypocrisy of the situation... OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA has been in previous years the MURDER CAPITAL of the entire United States. It is still a ghetto and it is still a dangerous place to live. I find it hypocritical that so many should take to rioting in the streets over one officer involved shooting, when they shed so much of each others blood by their own hands, daily. It's just something to note. |
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Henry Kissinger this past week on CNBC basically said that with the new Obama admin. coming in now is a good time to push through a New World Order. Quite honestly, when stuff like this gets said on National Television I have a hard time with people still claiming it's a conspiracy. It's hard to pinpoint as to what extent I feel I believe at this time. I will say that now as opposed to a couple of years ago that I am leaning towards the Alex Jones, David Icke, Steven Quayle crowd. Pretty much, I can't discount anything. I am definitely skeptical on a lot of things, but as time moves on I can see anything as being "possible." Youtube Lindsey Williams. I am only vaguely familiar with him, but in July of '08 when gas was $147 dollars a barrel he said that gas would go down to $50 a barrel. He claims to have gotten this info from a source that is a part of this hierarchy He mentions that gas will stay around $50 for quite a while (months or a year) and that it's purpose is to bankrupt the middle-east like Iceland. So this is the next thing I am keeping my eyes on. He said news about this should stop popping up in the next few months. If said scenario comes to pass, then that's just one more reason to push me closer to the "Global Agenda" side. |
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can you reference that kissinger interview, that would be interesting to see or read? |
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Kissinger has said it on national television before... many times. |
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watch both of these... |
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you need stooges to build an empire, scared stooges |
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we're all scared of terrorists... |
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Indeed. And most Americans should know that this type of nonsense will CONTINUE under Emperor Obama's administration. |
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you only hear about the bad stories, not the good ones. stop pretending like all cops are out to get you or power hungry. many/most have families, and are more worried about the dangers/unknowns of a routine traffic stop than some stupid riot. chill the fuk out and stop over generalizing. |
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redRummy, you're a fuking idiot for suggesting that movie. get your own education instead of being told what to think (hey, isnt that exactly what you complain that the MSM does to you)? ironic? |
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God bless Israel |
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Yes, very ironic. |
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severe economic pressures increase crime and other social problems, police and eventually the military are used to quell the inevitable riots and unrest. police are given greater power, greater restrictions are placed on personal freedoms and the right to gather publicly and privately. |
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I don't think anybody was pretending in this manner. This is a pretense that you alone fabricated. The fact remains that, in general, the actions of law enforcement is a highly troubling situation. We've established so many "law enforcement" branches of the federal government throughout the country's existence - unconstitutionally - that the obvious consequences have come to light. These consequences take the form of individual police brutality, all the way through departmental bureaucracy/waste, etc. Few would even blame the cops themselves, but rather the system which causes and allows cops to misbehave as so many do. |
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Have you been reading up on the thousands of army troops being trained to be deployed within the US for "crowd control" purposes? Very frightening, and very real... |
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never give in to fear. do that and they've already won. |
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Well well well, a few days after Kissinger speaks of a New World Order, you have someone like CNN correspondent John King mention it on the Stephen Colbert show. |
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I've been keeping a close eye on these theories. For comparison look at a theory that most people know is bullshit like belief in ufo's. It starts as a simple meme then snowballs and snowballs through imitation until you have an elaborate evolved complex of ideas replicated in many brains. NWO theories could be a similar complex of false memes. But unfortunately I'm kinda leaning toward believing some of it. The theories are kind of immune to being proven/disproven with evidence. I don't know, youtube fema camps. Could be idiots at the 'top' of the weird political cult want social darwinist population eugenics/control. Alex jones is a skilled oral speaker and can sound quite intelligent at times. He plugs his websites 2-3 times every video, maybe he knows the info is not true and just found a way to get rich with advertisements. If so he's a good actor and appears to believe what he says. But he seems quirky/eccentric.. I mean there are a lot of strange brain abnormalities out there. Kim peek, some weird shit that make people think they're god, etc. Maybe he has some weird ultra paranoid brain abnormality. The way he seems to remember exact dates seems to be savant-ish, often associated with such abnormalities. He seems to say 2012 is about when shit will go down supposedly. worldwide concentration camps or something. I see bad signs from corporation behavior. |
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it's nice to be important, but it's more important to eat ice |
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cream |
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drastically reducing the overall population to 1/3 its current level is the only way to keep our planet sustainable for a while longer, so really its just a little gift to mother earth courtesy of the powers that be. people should feel lucky they're dying so that others can live in that bright utopian society. |
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haha, so true in fact, the reason we have the NWO to take care of things is so that _we_ wouldn't have to care. the NWO - or "Niggers With Oligarchy" as they are also called, although it's mostly WASP/Jewish - are benevolent in intent but incomprehensible by the intelligence of ordinary humans, which is why they can appear frightening. and what wMw said is also interesting, I think Alex Jones is a mutant, or has the brain of one. the Zeitgeist movement fails when it tries to provide clear solutions, but it succeeds as a kind of irritation on the skin of the stupid giant of world politics. |
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"redRummy, you're a fuking idiot for suggesting that movie." "the Zeitgeist movement fails when it tries to provide clear solutions, but it succeeds as a kind of irritation on the skin of the stupid giant of world politics. " I do hate the elitist and idealised solution the Zeitgeist Movement comes up with , but a lot fo the problems it dicusses are very true. I don't hold with the whole illuminatae (sp?) bollocks but I fully agree with the argument against the Federal Reserve and the way modern politics is run. |
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i just don't quite get it. you have all of these documentaries saying dont trust the MSM/media, they are just feeding you lies; go and do your own research etc. etc. and they point out how when you watch modern media, by the end of the segment they have already made up your mind/opinion for you. you are supposed to see through this. yet with films like 9/11 loose change and zeigiest; it's quite funny, because in a way they do the very same thing. they massage data/facts/theories to fit their description, and by the end you feel like you already have your mind made up for you on the subject. ironic! |
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Guns kill people. |
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Any of these "I am's" are there just to give continuity to thoughts and identities. Human consciousness is changing so rapidly that the continuity is struggling even harder to maintain itself so what we're seeing is this match-flame flickering violently before it burns out totally. And what's left after that? Nothing but potential. America is not a military empire. There's no "world conquest" happening on America's part. Look at the humans and the ideas behind it, dissect them and you see them for what they are. It's just fear, it's just living, breathing fear. That's it. That's all there is. I don't see why everyone thinks its any more complicated than that. It isn't. I am tolerant, however, of the fact that everyone requires simple things to be complicated. There are no "military empires" or "guns", just fear. Let's look at it for what it really is! A gun is fear. |
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Isn't it much easier then to resolve the problem once you see the essence of the problem? Why can't we just overturn all the beliefs and see what is behind them. It's like a big lot of categories were thrown at a bunch of preschoolers and the preschoolers became convinced these were the only categories they could fit into and can't imagine any possible variation of categories within their classroom assigned by their teacher! |
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Loose Change was made by three teenagers and their iMacs. "Documentaries" like that are no better or reliable than MSM nonsense. Pretty much any video like that will have an agenda, but some will back up their message better than others. I look at America: From Freedom to Fascism, made by award-winning documentary filmmaker Aaron Russo, as a great example of a documentary dealing with issues like Zeitgeist but in an extraordinarily intellectual manner. The important thing is to bring intelligent speakers, historically accurate information, and a clear goal, to the table. F2F does this, while Loose Change and Zeitgeist are both pretty awful, and probably do more to hurt their causes than help them. By the way, the entire America: Freedom to Fascism documentary can be viewed for free on . |
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what is msm? cygnus, "america is not a military empire"? now that's some real preschool baby talk. its big fish eat little fish with the US Monstro |
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mainstream media |
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I meant to point out with my post why america is seen as a military empire. what it actually is is a fearful empire, its just full of fear. the military is the meat and bones of the ideaology, so, the ideaology must be one of fear. its afraid of destruction. so its got chemical weapons, dreadful types of portable and submarine artillery and nuclear explosives to prevent that. so, maybe it can be better to not look at it or any nation as a "military empire", or rather a very fearful empire. maybe that is closer to the truth we need ideologies that do not end up on the battlefield, but rather with hugs, handshakes, laughs, smiles, and cool stuff. |
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critique of conspiracy theories as replicating mind viruses: Still, even if the theories are false dogma, there could be negative consequences from a memeplex so large. Similar to how 'satan' doesn't physically exist but merely believing in such an entity can make people do evil things. And if its dogma there seem to be a lot of people 'infected' with this information that arises from opinion instead of evidence (I mean ron paul regularly appears on the alex jones show). And where does he find so many people to interview that all believe this stuff too? Could be they're all infected with the same constantly snowballing memeplex with major replicators being sites like jone's sites. |
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Believing in Satan doesn't make people do evil things, they'd do that on their own. Satan allows them to rationalize their choices by placing the locus of control outside of themselves. You can't be responsible for a choice that was forced upon you by a demon. You're talking about some very complex belief systems, and it's worth pointing out that the methods for manipulating such systems are very developed and sophisticated. You cannot evaluate these systems as "true" or "untrue." Surely you are aware of the many instances in which systematic, deliberate abuse of citizens by the United States governments has been made public? Giving LSD to citizens without their knowledge, for example. I think that this fits any definition of conspiracy, and I think it's fair to accept that many other illegitimate, illegal, unreported and unethical actions have been taken against American citizens (assuming we're talking only about the US government and conspiracy theories involving actions taken by government agencies against citizens). Instead of focusing on the memeplex perpetuated by the ill-informed and paranoid, you should be studying the tools and strategies of misinformation, disinformation and propaganda. Or so I thought, when I typed this into the message board today. |
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Dude, I don't know why people seem to think this is a 'foreshadowing'.. WTC were very well known buildings.. FOr some script writer to use this in a tv show is not at all far fetched.. And let's say it WAS some kind of 'OmEn', who put it there? Did the government extort the script writer to write the plot>?? How exactly does one fabricate such a conspiracy, and why would anyone bother putting it in a tv show. Blah ;P |
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Personally, I am not ruling out coincidence; however, if you read the info for the clip you have people like Condoleeza Rice saying no one anticipated airliners being used as weapons. You also have Bush and Rumsfeld saying something to the extent of "no one could have predicted these attacks." Bottom line, our government new what was going on, and if they didn't engineer it they allowed it to happen. |
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new=knew And also when I say government, I mean it as a whole. None of this Right/Left Paradigm b/s. New boss is the same as the old boss. |
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OK but just because those 3 people said nobody could anticipate it, doesn't mean it isn't possible to make such a thing up in a story/tv show.. It certainly does not mean the government knew what was going on.. You can't deduce that from 3 unrelated statements and a video clip. |
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Lone Gunmen/X-Files actor Dean Haglund who played the role of Richard 'Ringo' Langly in both series appeared on the Alex Jones Show. Haglund stated that after years of writing the X-files, the FBI CIA and NASA would approach Chris Carter with plot ideas for stories. |
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