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cx
from Norway on 2008-12-17 15:38 [#02259378]
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Do you sit for an hour or two randomly mashing buttons, or maybe you sit for hours and days on end painstakingly assembling your vision?
Some people say one should take GOOD time to make a song, as in always come back to it, make it slowly and let it grow, others just like to jam and post the session.
I'm a bit of both, but I must say most of my really good tracks that I'm happy with, are made in less than 5 hours.
Usually this is because when something first captures me in the baby stages of the track, I immediately get the picture in my head and after that I just have to sculpt the vision with the tools available.
I have gotten comments, and I have realized myself that sometimes i should maybe work longer on tracks, but on the other hand I find that the emotional charge gets less and less of an impact the more I work on a song.
I have to like instantly create the track while it's 'hot' or else I will be lost.
I dunno, I many times have to sit for hours on end just plotting out a chord progression, but yeah.
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-12-17 15:42 [#02259380]
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i think it depends, sometimes you could make a song about a whole life experience or something, or some fantasy world, so, like any big event or world, you'd want to make sure you give it every aspect. I like to think of Hangable Auto bulb as a good example of this type of sound. It usually is just about being caught up in the process. good little jams to record that you have from ideas in your head are the best way to pass time.
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2008-12-17 15:44 [#02259383]
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mostly quick jams! I do have the occasional track on which i might spend a day or two. But i always prefer to be spontaneous, and stick to my first draft
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2008-12-17 16:16 [#02259387]
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I take as long as I need and sometimes that will one to three days spread over over a week or two. Sometimes I will do a bit and come back to it a month later and finish it off. I try to not pressure myself because if I lose the fun of doing it then there is no point.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-12-17 17:39 [#02259393]
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personally, I like to use a Drum machine programme, and just let it flow man, whatever comes to mind, whatever you feel... that's good poetry!!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-12-17 17:54 [#02259395]
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"others just like to jam and post the session" Please don't post any old crap. It makes me not listen to other people.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-12-17 18:13 [#02259397]
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I have initial ideas that get me going, but usually it takes a long time to make a proper track to completion. Often it takes some 50 hours of work, sometimes more, sometimes less. That means a few months of work (since I have other things to do as well). One of my best tracks took like 6 months to complete. But of course some tracks are finished in a few hours... those are the exception, unfortunately.
In fact, I don't know if a track can ever be "finished". There's just some point when you decide it matches what you wanted to say, and you let go of the process.
I hate half-finished tracks, they accumulate like dust in your room. Sometimes a spring cleaning is in order... and sometimes you manage to pick the best part of some old idea and transform it into something new. Recycling: saving the planet.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2008-12-17 18:35 [#02259400]
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most of the time i like the 4 hour songs better too. if the track stands the test of time, good, if not, maybe theres something you can change when skills improved. also i usually start with the beat, because i find a melody easier when i have kind of a direction to go.
what i really still do find hard is creating songs with various melodies that really differ and take turns. you all know when the key melody of your favourite tracks skips to the part you dont like as if it was just there to make you happy again when the good part returns.
so when i cant find a good counterpart i stick with a repetition of the melody with different instruments instead. does that make me a crap musician?
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-12-17 22:56 [#02259427]
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in one sitting i can get a basic framework of a track going, but i need to work with it several more times over the course of a week or 2 at least before i would consider it a finished mix. i do have tracks that i've worked on much longer, or have been shelved for long periods of time before trying to do something with again (months and years even).
if i am doing drones, improvised ambient or something that's different. the whole point is to be visceral and in the moment. if i am doing a whole arranged track however, there needs to be time to really polish and refine it.
that being said there are people who are somewhat well known that finish tracks in a very short period of time and make it work.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-12-17 23:41 [#02259432]
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maybe 10% of the time i have an idea thought up beforehand of what the track will sound like. i just know if i stay at it and dont get pissed because of whatever norms there are that i will get dope shit...
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pigster
from melbs on 2008-12-18 00:04 [#02259434]
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i normally start off with an idea or so, maybe take a day or two to extend it into a form of a song. after that, it can take months to finish it off, which is terrible.
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b6662966
from ? on 2008-12-18 00:12 [#02259435]
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Theres a great video of Richard James aka Aphex Twin on youtube talking about his creative process, he also includes some more technical info about how he sequences and so on.. check it out:
LAZY_VIDEO
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b6662966
from ? on 2008-12-18 00:13 [#02259436]
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oops broken link, this one works...
LAZY_LINK
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-12-18 00:15 [#02259437]
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wow i havent seen that in maybe 10 years, wow still know all the words :( :(
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2008-12-18 05:12 [#02259454]
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good find, i like it better than that rick astley song...
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-12-18 05:24 [#02259455]
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hahahaha jesus christ, i haven't heard that for a long, long time... the horror!
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-12-18 05:25 [#02259456]
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oh and to answer your question, i turn on my Drum machine programme and let the spice flow.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2008-12-18 06:26 [#02259462]
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i let max msp do it
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2008-12-18 06:57 [#02259465]
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you also can let Ludwig 2.0â„¢ do it for you... german proggie. you type in some notes set the mood and style then it creates harmonies around your notes. it says you have the idea to a song and it finishes it for you
and does all the dirty work to make it a full song. havent tried it out yet. full version has midi-export. read about it in the german "times" last year.
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cuntychuck
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-12-18 07:01 [#02259467]
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hi, i make music with my body
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-12-18 08:01 [#02259476]
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How do you make music?
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2008-12-18 08:46 [#02259489]
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how do you make music?
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-12-18 10:30 [#02259518]
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a typical night for making music, would be zebra open in logic, building up synths, and then once i get a few loops sequenced, i add some rhythm with kontakt (or battery) and jam with it for a while, i have everything coming out of my mixer, so i like to have fun with layering up some rhythm, and bringing things in and out,
then i like to record the rhythm alone, and then i like to make alterations to the synth module, and play with filters and other bits, practice then either record it off or make program changed automations (if it's not too buggy), and start to put the pieces together. once i got it all sounding in sync, i'm gunna start to compress bits and try to sort of eq and levels, i like to make sure i am filling up the frequencies and not getting any distortion or unwanted noise. i then record it off and process it further with wave hammer.
that's just one way i do things to be very brief. mostly though, i find things by accident, i rarely sit down to think of a concept first, or put much planning into it.
so it's really like jamming, recording and getting ideas as i go.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-12-18 17:58 [#02259589]
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I prefer this.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-12-18 19:46 [#02259627]
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Good songs are often painstaiking and with an idea beforehand.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-12-18 19:46 [#02259629]
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i make beautiful music involving a brick and your face.
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oyvinto
on 2008-12-19 06:21 [#02259666]
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i don't make it, it's being arched via me
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-12-19 06:43 [#02259667]
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your arche is mine!
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