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diamondtron
on 2008-12-04 08:02 [#02256880]
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http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=9972
It's been a bad week for distributors, with news that both Neuton and Pinnacle are to fold...
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-12-04 08:40 [#02256882]
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It's a sad state of affairs isn't it? I'm kinda torn on the issue, because I know a lot of those labels are really gonna suffer as a result of this, with loss of money and probably records too. On the other hand, I think this might just be the wakeup call a lot of labels need to just get rid of distributors for physical records entirely, as the model clearly isn't working anymore.
I love vinyl and I even quite like CDs for albums, but the death knell rang for these formats ages ago and I really don't think it will be long before they're made completely redundant. Vinyl has died before and always had a place with the niche/enthusiast market, but the cost of materials in pressing records and the fact distributors and record stores are dropping faster than wasps in winter mean that eventually, it's just going to be too expensive to make and ultimately sell vinyl records. Didn't Independent go under last year too? Call me a pessimist, but I reckon the whole music market will be 99.9% digital within 5 years at the latest. Single sales are already something like 80% digital I think and i'm sure it won't be much longer before albums join that statistic too.
My main problem is fuckers like Apple who seem to have the whole digital market place sewn up. They make the most popular device for listening to music in the world and also totally dominate the marketplace to feed the damn thing. I'm sure people like the convenience of integration, but it's still a real shame to see a once open model which encouraged lots of distributors and labels to work together, to be replaced by a souless entity like itunes. Maybe i'm just bitter, I dunno. I do know i'll always support the good, independent stores that don't want to fuck me in the ass with DRM or make me install bloaty, crappy software before I can even download anything.
Still, I do think digital downloads are the way and the light and i've listened to music primarily on my computer for years now. In the end, it's the music which matters, regardless o
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-12-04 08:41 [#02256883]
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..regardless of the format it's on.
God damn, I broke the character limit. I talk too much.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-12-04 08:56 [#02256884]
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I prefer to have a hard copy of my favourite albums, and the majority of people I know feel the same. Whether the youth market feel the same is another thing, I don't think they care so much about music or the quality of it. They can live without CDs, but if their hard drive went down and they lost 200 mp3s I doubt they'd give a shit either.
CDs will stick around just like vinyl has, there will always be market for over 30s who perfer a mix of physical and digital.
Most labels have coped, adapted and survived. It's The ones that don't adapt that go under - distrubutor's have little way of adapting as they cannot distribute digital. It's taken while for them to fold as they service so many labels simultaneously, but I guess not enough.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-12-04 09:30 [#02256886]
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it is too bad that distributors are going out of business, and people are losing those jobs. however i think the transition is ultimately positive. less cost, less overhead, less middlemen. environmentally better because less resources are used. easier for smaller labels and independent artists to reach a wider audience.
i do like album artwork, nice packaging and all that, tho. it would be nice to see more multimedia content kind of replace that, maybe. also, it will be better when flac can become more of a standard, but i think storage space costs need to come down even more, internet connection speeds need to increase, and the format has to become more widely known and compatible before that happens. i, unfortunately, do not yet have the space or the time to have everything in flac, no matter if it does sound better.
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diamondtron
on 2008-12-04 09:47 [#02256887]
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free digital music is great downloading someone's life's work & findings in one file in a few hours for free
but great dance music not making it to superior audio and fun vinyl is a crying shame
artists having no kind of investment or belief or support from labels is a shame
but there will still be diamonds, just a LOT more rubbish in between, a LOT, the myspace music toilet is just the tip of the iceberg
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-12-04 10:37 [#02256894]
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The labels took advantage for too long, now if they want to make as much money as they did before they will have to deliver value for money like never before. Something more than a paper slip in a jewel case for £15.99.
They should sell CDs in box sets with fold-out posters, badges, or tour discount vouchers. Something imaginative to lure people into buying CDs either instead of, or alongside digital.
Sure, their costs will rise, but they can still make a decent wedge out of it. Look at the beautiful packaging some of the tiny labels put out, it puts the big ones to shame.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-12-04 17:55 [#02256976]
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If you are who I think you are then if I could get hold of your early stuff on vinyl I would...I won't pay ebay prices though.
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diamondtron
on 2008-12-05 02:06 [#02257084]
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fancy packaging with loads of extra merch is nice but most people don't want all that, they are mainly interested in the music which they can get for free.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2008-12-05 03:42 [#02257106]
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I can't stand the idea of paying for something that I am going to store away in a box.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-12-05 06:57 [#02257151]
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I still think the best option is to press a limited vinyl run and then just sell the rest as digital downloads (flac!)
This way, people still get the option of a physical format and something nice to keep and everyone else who doesn't want to pay for the luxury of nice packaging/vinyl get to listen to the music without stealing it (or from a crappy vinyl rip)
I think more incentives need giving, such as exclusive/bonus tracks for vinyl (but NOT the other way around). Maybe even give the digital versions away for free if you buy the vinyl version at the same time...
Right now, I think most peoples complaints about records are they are too expensive and they're being made increasingly redundant in clubs. The complaint about digital downloads is you don't feel like you get much for your money. Combine the two together for a fixed price and voila, people will start taking interest in physical records again.
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cuntychuck
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-12-05 07:04 [#02257153]
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you said everything i wanted to say about this subject brisk.
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