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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-20 09:23 [#02223220]
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I was sitting at lunch with a colleague a few weeks back, and he mentioned that he did not understand the general media hubbub over Michelle Obama's unpatriotic statements.
"So she said that she hadn't been proud of America in her adult life," he said. "So what?"
I answered that many Americans, rightly, were offended at the idea that a prospective First Lady of the United States was not proud of her country. "If you don't believe this is the best country on earth, don't live here," I said.
"That's 'love it or leave it,'" he answered. "I don't have to love everything about this country."
"That's right, you don't," I stated. "But if you don't believe in the essential goodness of America's founding principles -- if you don't believe that those principles constitute the greatest set of essential values ever instituted on a national scale -- then you don't belong here."
He was insulted. The typical liberal talking point states that patriotism is jingoism because America's founding principles are so much claptrap -- that modern values trump those old-fashioned ideas. But that should be an automatic disqualifier for political victory in this country. Disavowing the thoughts underlying the Declaration of Independence and Constitution is a tragic surrender to nihilism, a surrender to the barbarism of the French Revolution.
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-20 09:24 [#02223221]
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Liberals often ask for a definition of American values.
Let's begin with what such values are not. They are not the "evolving standards of decency" of Justice Anthony Kennedy. And they are certainly not the vague prescriptions of Barack Obama, who preaches unity but never explains precisely which Americans values are supposed to unify us.
They are the values held in common by John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. They are the values shared by James Madison, Benjamin Franklin and George Washington. Here are some of those values:
Free enterprise allows every American the opportunity to succeed. Encroachment on free enterprise by government violates the basic right to pursuit of happiness.
Freedom of political speech is a vital component for a functioning republic. Such freedom must not be disturbed by complaints about fairness or whining about the "tenor" of modern campaigning. The hurly-burly of politics allows truth to rise to the surface.
Traditional moral values must be the basis of the republic. Freedom without any societal moral compass leaves the nation adrift in a relativistic sea. The same sea that swamps traditional morality sinks the ship of state.
America must be defended and her liberties spread abroad when possible. Kowtowing to international multiculturalism promotes tyranny.
The left disagrees with these values. Free enterprise is to be opposed in order to rectify inequality. Free speech is to be contained to quash the extremism of political discourse. Traditional morality is intolerant and therefore to be jettisoned. And defending American values demonstrates bigoted ethnocentrism.
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-20 09:24 [#02223222]
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There are certain countries in which the founding philosophy is deeply flawed. America is not one of them. There are certain countries for which patriotism should be a sin. America is not one of them. American history, in all of its most glorious permutations, represents the outgrowth of our founding philosophy. Only by accepting the greatness of America's founding philosophy can we hope to ensure that freedom flourishes at home and around the globe.
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-20 09:29 [#02223226]
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you're funny. we get it.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2008-07-20 09:31 [#02223229]
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Is America really the biggest cunt? Isn't Maggie Tacher bigger?
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-20 09:32 [#02223231]
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nothing funny about america, son.
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-20 09:33 [#02223234]
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people really talk like that on both ends. america sux.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-20 09:35 [#02223239]
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America is that kid, the one that wont share the sweeties.
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ChildrnsTalkn
on 2008-07-20 09:36 [#02223240]
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america really isn't the best, its about 4th place, behind the moon, and the mars, mars so far has 0 rapes, although given our records it shows here rape is up by 50 % in the atlantic ocean. what the fuck. this stupid machine *jabs it*
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-20 09:49 [#02223246]
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at least the propaganda is still quality
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ChildrnsTalkn
on 2008-07-20 10:01 [#02223251]
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crystal dude, did you really write that? cause if so it's phenomenal well constructed manifesto on the principles of the republic...
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-07-20 10:03 [#02223252]
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what happened to i'm here because i was born here, this is where my family and friends live, my job is here, so that is why i stay here
here is the thing, i didn't sign up for america. i didn't have brochures and pamphlets and make some informed decision about where i would be born. i am here, and thats that. anyone who spouts this love it or leave it crap can fuck off.
i appreciate a lot of our values, but how much more free our we than any other western democracy. i understand why she said she's not proud of america right now. neither am i. ben franklin and those guys were cool and had it pretty together, but a lot of the mentality that is america NOW is pretty well embarrassing.
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catfood03
on 2008-07-20 10:12 [#02223257]
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"nothing funny about america, son."
yeah there is... W.
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-07-20 10:22 [#02223259]
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america is the biggest country on earth and the most ancient
earth over the water in all planet beacuse i say it and nothing more.
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cipater
on 2008-07-20 10:41 [#02223265]
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"The American leader, who has been condemned throughout his presidency for failing to tackle climate change, ended a private meeting with the words: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
He then punched the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock."
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staz
on 2008-07-20 11:38 [#02223271]
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shitty gimmick fuck you
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OK
on 2008-07-20 13:44 [#02223293]
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america hasnt lived up to it's "founding priciples" since the end of world war I. why would any mentally sane person be proud of such counrty.
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OK
on 2008-07-20 13:46 [#02223294]
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also, stop reading el cato.
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-20 13:49 [#02223295]
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america is the best, mayne
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