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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-07-17 18:56 [#02222653]
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I am starting to read about the ideas alternative to the main ones Al Gore is pushing. I was wondering if XLT could have a heated debate on it.
Is it man made ? Or is that a lie to push the carbon taxes ?
Is it the sun heating up ?
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-17 19:31 [#02222655]
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either way- man made or not- we're fucked.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-17 20:15 [#02222658]
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I doubt mankind is organised enough to construct a conspiracy that massive.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2008-07-18 00:02 [#02222662]
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It's all got to do with eugenics and people reduction.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 01:30 [#02222665]
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my brain parasites have brain parasites
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ArmitageShanks
from Shannon (Ireland) on 2008-07-18 10:18 [#02222741]
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Yah we are all fucked i reckon,no turning this one around not with all the overpopulation and what not.Its all just too much for our dear old mother Earth.
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-18 11:11 [#02222747]
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basically, scientists are 99% sure man made global warming is happening. but nobody really knows what the long term effects are going to be.
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-18 11:12 [#02222748]
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scientists have said that more or less it would end up being like a bisexual bridal shower.
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cipater
on 2008-07-18 11:36 [#02222756]
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fire
hot
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2008-07-18 11:38 [#02222757]
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burn burn burn.
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cipater
on 2008-07-18 11:40 [#02222758]
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We need to use recycled toilet paper.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2008-07-18 12:10 [#02222761]
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You Al Gore worshipping zombies!
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide is causing or will, in the foreseeable, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. http://www.petitionproject.org
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mookster
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 12:45 [#02222762]
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we by our very nature are a time bomb, we breathe out CO2 at about 400kg a year, times that by 6.6 billion and you get a fuck load of CO2.
I have had it up to here with the greenwash the UK government is spinning, getting more taxes out of us for things that will have little to no effect on global warming. Climates fluctuate naturally, from the sub-mediterranean temperatures of the middle ages to the 'big freeze' supposedly on its way a few decades back. And at last it seems people are wising up to the utter tripe they've been fed about how their cars are the worst things on the earth, cows produce more pollutants than cars in any given year
If the great storm of 1708 happened tomorrow we would automatically blame it on climate change/global warming. This was a natural event, we do get freak weather events like the floods in the UK last summer which at first everyone blamed on global warming but later was revealed as a natural unstoppable occurence.
IMO Al Gore is one of the biggest tossers to ever be born to this Earth, pushing unproven, unfounded and unresearched views onto us in his film. Most of the stuff in that film is bollocks and I think we know it.
There was a survey conducted by the UN's climate change/global warming panel, investigating the effect on sea levels if the ice sheets melted due to global warming, they found that the sea could rise by a minimum of -0.02 metres to a max of 0.09 metres. In other words, the melting of the ice sheets could, conceivably cause global sea levels to fall, contrary to the '5 metre' sea rise predicted by the governments doom-mongers (don't ask me on the physics of the sea level falling, I read it in a book somewhere which didn't explain it) to make us pay even more tax because we will be scared that we will get flooded. If regular people took time to research exactly what is going on in the world maybe we would all finally see we have been taken in by one big lie
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2008-07-18 12:50 [#02222763]
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^this
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-18 12:51 [#02222764]
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mookster
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 13:02 [#02222765]
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WWF, Greenpeace, David Cameron, the lot of them are all complicit in the perpetuation (is that a word?) of the crap we are fed about how we all must stop using evil, dirty bastard cars of the devil, install a wind farm on every house in the UK and then immediately shout down anyone who dares to question the facts. The simple fact is, most 'climate change sceptics' as you put it use exactly the same facts that WWF et al use to show it is happening. It's all about the misinterpretation of data, and the fact that the green lobby have got it so badly wrong. We badly need to invest in nuclear power, as it is clean (ish) and sure you may say decommisioning it is a handful but its the only realistic option we have. Wind power is seriously flawed. It doesn't work when its not windy, or when its too windy. The amount of concrete involved in keeping them from toppling over is astronomical. They are about 3 times as expensive per kW than any other form of power. And these proposed 'eco-towns' are the worst of all. Building houses on greenbelt land will destroy vast swathes of wildlife, if the green lobby were that serious about eco towns they would work to turn existing towns into 'eco towns' not that that is ever possible because getting a 'carbon neutral' (my least favourite phrase, alongside 'carbon offset') town is almost physically impossible
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mookster
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 13:04 [#02222766]
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and anyone who says 'we can't use nuclear, think of Chernobyl' is an arse. Chernobyl was a shoddily built Russian reactor with sub-par safety procedures. As far as I know there hasn't been a single nuclear reactor accident in the UK since the 50's and that shows just how safe they are nowadays
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cipater
on 2008-07-18 13:08 [#02222768]
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Yeah, take a look at the French for instance.
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leech
from China (Hong Kong S.A.R.) on 2008-07-18 13:19 [#02222770]
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plug up all the sacred cows, perheps we could convert it usefully.
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Advocate
on 2008-07-18 14:12 [#02222782]
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global warming or not, why do we need animals? kill them, kill them all.
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2008-07-18 14:58 [#02222790]
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yes, we need some benevolent one-world dictatorship dedicated to the End Of Cows
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2008-07-18 15:55 [#02222794]
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i can't be bothered with such a tepid apocalypse, peak oil is much more fun with the looting and wailing and potential nuclear conquest and growing turnips in a carpark and so on
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 16:45 [#02222813]
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global bollocks
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 16:47 [#02222815]
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Werd. We need more global bollocks's.
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 16:49 [#02222816]
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you betcha ass
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 16:58 [#02222821]
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See. Me n cliff aren't wrong about the nuts. If this whole save the planet stuff was promoted by gangsta rap and banksy art work then the problem would have been solved time ago. But the hippies HAD to not die, bastards. What we need is environmentalism with a massive pair of balls.
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yoyoyoyo
from Sweden on 2008-07-18 16:59 [#02222824]
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we need the global COOLS
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2008-07-18 17:02 [#02222826]
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banksy, don't get me started on fucking banksy
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 17:08 [#02222833]
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We can change the world yo! Banksy....I know....
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 17:23 [#02222844]
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that's the reality
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 17:28 [#02222849]
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We need the A TEAM but with an energy efficient van. That is so us.
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 17:38 [#02222857]
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i ain't gettin on no plane
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 17:48 [#02222867]
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There isn't much room and it's not very pimp. We'll have to sellotape yoyoyo to the top and then set him on people who aren't growing enough trees. Glasse is probably black so he can be Baracus.
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 18:06 [#02222874]
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limo stretch that bi-atch, and do the interior in leopard skin...and we are good to go.
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-18 20:03 [#02222884]
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the carbon we keep putting out isnt being absorbed and converted to oxygen as much because of the rampant deforestation occuring, which in turn puts out even more carbon from the slash and burn clear cutting whatever... why would anybody even for one second think it isnt caused by mankind?
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-18 20:54 [#02222885]
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oops i dont know why that was directed towards mookster.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 00:57 [#02222896]
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Global warming is but a thin slice from the ruination of this bipedal earth parasite.
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mookster
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 04:41 [#02222917]
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we all have our views, I agree the deforestation going on is terrible, especially when done to clear land for the growth for the dreadful biofuels the governments are insisting we use
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cipater
on 2008-07-19 09:26 [#02222980]
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What do you mean terrible? What's so great about humanity anyway? Do we really need to survive another hundred years?
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rad smiles
on 2008-07-19 09:34 [#02222981]
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ugh yeah like soy in brazil.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 09:50 [#02222985]
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Do pipe down.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 09:51 [#02222986]
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We are fucking brilliant. Do pipe down.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-07-19 10:55 [#02222991]
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pity the fool mess with the cools cut down trees, bad for the kids.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 11:01 [#02222992]
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we are insignificant to the max
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cyrstal dude
from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-19 13:34 [#02223034]
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maybe nuclear power is a good idea, but i do think global warming is real. the vast majority of scientists would agree. we just don't know how much of an impact it's going to have. this unknown factor makes it all the more important to cut carbon emissions. you can argue that there are lobbies who want tax increases and are using climate change as an excuse to get this money, but by the same token there are people in the oil industry pushing the opposite view for their own ends. so at the end of the day, you just have to look at the figures, and the world has been warming up at the same rate as human co2 emissions have been increasing. it's too much of a coincidence.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2008-07-19 13:42 [#02223039]
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The Great Global Warming Swindle
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 13:45 [#02223042]
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My thread is better.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 13:58 [#02223046]
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I was going to watch that when it was on the telly and missed it. I wish i'd seen it now as it has converted me. You have fixed my brain.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 16:41 [#02223101]
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nice
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