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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-07-17 18:56 [#02222653]
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 I am starting to read about the ideas alternative to the  main ones Al Gore is pushing. I was wondering if XLT could  have a heated debate on it.
 
  Is it man made ? Or is that a lie to push the carbon taxes  ?
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           rad smiles
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-17 20:15 [#02222658]
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I doubt mankind is organised enough to construct a  conspiracy that massive. 
 
  
         
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           chambre noire
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It's all got to do with eugenics and people reduction.
 
  
         
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           w M w
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 01:30 [#02222665]
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my brain parasites have brain parasites
 
  
         
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           ArmitageShanks
             from Shannon (Ireland) on 2008-07-18 10:18 [#02222741]
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Yah we are all fucked i reckon,no turning this one around  not with all the overpopulation and what not.Its all just  too much for our dear old mother Earth. 
 
  
         
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           cyrstal dude
             from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-18 11:11 [#02222747]
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basically, scientists are 99% sure man made global warming  is happening. but nobody really knows what the long term  effects are going to be. 
 
  
         
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           rad smiles
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scientists have said that more or less it would end up being  like a bisexual bridal shower. 
 
  
         
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           cipater
             on 2008-07-18 11:36 [#02222756]
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fire
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           -crazone
             from smashing acid over and over on 2008-07-18 11:38 [#02222757]
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           cipater
             on 2008-07-18 11:40 [#02222758]
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We need to use recycled toilet paper.
 
  
         
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           chambre noire
             from Iceland on 2008-07-18 12:10 [#02222761]
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You Al Gore worshipping zombies!
  There is no convincing scientific evidence that human  release of carbon dioxide is causing or will, in the  foreseeable, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's  atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate.  http://www.petitionproject.org 
 
  
         
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           mookster
             from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 12:45 [#02222762]
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we by our very nature are a time bomb, we breathe out CO2 at  about 400kg a year, times that by 6.6 billion and you get a  fuck load of CO2. 
 
  I have had it up to here with the greenwash the UK  government is spinning, getting more taxes out of us for  things that will have little to no effect on global warming.  Climates fluctuate naturally, from the sub-mediterranean  temperatures of the middle ages to the 'big freeze'  supposedly on its way a few decades back. And at last it  seems people are wising up to the utter tripe they've been  fed about how their cars are the worst things on the earth,  cows produce more pollutants than cars in any given year
 
  If the great storm of 1708 happened tomorrow we would  automatically blame it on climate change/global warming.  This was a natural event, we do get freak weather events  like the floods in the UK last summer which at first  everyone blamed on global warming but later was revealed as  a natural unstoppable occurence.
 
  IMO Al Gore is one of the biggest tossers to ever be born to  this Earth, pushing unproven, unfounded and unresearched  views onto us in his film. Most of the stuff in that film is  bollocks and I think we know it.
 
  There was a survey conducted by the UN's climate  change/global warming panel, investigating the effect on sea  levels if the ice sheets melted due to global warming, they  found that the sea could rise by a minimum of -0.02 metres  to a max of 0.09 metres. In other words, the melting of the  ice sheets could, conceivably cause global sea levels to  fall, contrary to the '5 metre' sea rise predicted by the  governments doom-mongers (don't ask me on the physics of the  sea level falling, I read it in a book somewhere which  didn't explain it) to make us pay even more tax because we  will be scared that we will get flooded. If regular people  took time to research exactly what is going on in the world  maybe we would all finally see we have been taken in by one  big lie 
 
  
         
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           elusive
             from detroit (United States) on 2008-07-18 12:50 [#02222763]
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           cyrstal dude
             from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-18 12:51 [#02222764]
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           mookster
             from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 13:02 [#02222765]
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WWF, Greenpeace, David Cameron, the lot of them are all  complicit in the perpetuation (is that a word?) of the crap  we are fed about how we all must stop using evil, dirty  bastard cars of the devil, install a wind farm on every  house in the UK and then immediately shout down anyone who  dares to question the facts. The simple fact is, most  'climate change sceptics' as you put it use exactly the same  facts that WWF et al use to show it is happening. It's all  about the misinterpretation of data, and the fact that the  green lobby have got it so badly wrong. We badly need to  invest in nuclear power, as it is clean (ish) and sure you  may say decommisioning it is a handful but its the only  realistic option we have. Wind power is seriously flawed. It  doesn't work when its not windy, or when its too windy. The  amount of concrete involved in keeping them from toppling  over is astronomical. They are about 3 times as expensive  per kW than any other form of power. And these proposed  'eco-towns' are the worst of all. Building houses on  greenbelt land will destroy vast swathes of wildlife, if the  green lobby were that serious about eco towns they would  work to turn existing towns into 'eco towns' not that that  is ever possible because getting a 'carbon neutral' (my  least favourite phrase, alongside 'carbon offset') town is  almost physically impossible 
 
  
         
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           mookster
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and anyone who says 'we can't use nuclear, think of  Chernobyl' is an arse. Chernobyl was a shoddily built  Russian reactor with sub-par safety procedures. As far as I  know there hasn't been a single nuclear reactor accident in  the UK since the 50's and that shows just how safe they are  nowadays 
 
  
         
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           cipater
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Yeah, take a look at the French for instance.
 
  
         
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           leech
             from China (Hong Kong S.A.R.) on 2008-07-18 13:19 [#02222770]
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plug up all the sacred cows, perheps we could convert it  usefully. 
 
 
 
  
         
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           Advocate
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           belb
             from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2008-07-18 14:58 [#02222790]
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yes, we need some benevolent one-world dictatorship  dedicated to the End Of Cows 
 
  
         
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           belb
             from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2008-07-18 15:55 [#02222794]
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i can't be bothered with such a tepid apocalypse, peak oil  is much more fun with the looting and wailing and potential  nuclear conquest and growing turnips in a carpark and so on 
 
  
         
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           Cliff Glitchard
             from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 16:45 [#02222813]
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global bollocks
 
 
  
         
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 16:47 [#02222815]
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Werd. We need more global bollocks's.
 
  
         
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           Cliff Glitchard
             from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 16:49 [#02222816]
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 16:58 [#02222821]
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See. Me n cliff aren't wrong about the nuts. If this whole  save the planet stuff was promoted by gangsta rap and banksy  art work then the problem would have been solved time ago.  But the hippies HAD to not die, bastards. What we need is  environmentalism with a massive pair of balls. 
 
  
         
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           yoyoyoyo
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           belb
             from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2008-07-18 17:02 [#02222826]
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banksy, don't get me started on fucking banksy
 
  
         
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 17:08 [#02222833]
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We can change the world yo! Banksy....I know....
 
  
         
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           Cliff Glitchard
             from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 17:23 [#02222844]
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 17:28 [#02222849]
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We need the A TEAM but with an energy efficient van. That is  so us.  
 
  
         
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           Cliff Glitchard
             from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-07-18 17:38 [#02222857]
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-18 17:48 [#02222867]
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There isn't much room and it's not very pimp. We'll have to  sellotape yoyoyo to the top and then set him on people who  aren't growing enough trees. Glasse is probably black so he  can be Baracus. 
 
  
         
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           Cliff Glitchard
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limo stretch that bi-atch, and do the interior in leopard  skin...and we are good to go. 
 
  
         
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           rad smiles
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 the carbon we keep putting out isnt being absorbed and  converted to oxygen as much because of the rampant  deforestation occuring, which in turn puts out even more  carbon from the slash and burn clear cutting whatever... why  would anybody even for one second think it isnt caused by  mankind?  
 
  
         
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           rad smiles
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           w M w
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 00:57 [#02222896]
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Global warming is but a thin slice from the ruination of  this bipedal earth parasite. 
 
  
         
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           mookster
             from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 04:41 [#02222917]
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           cipater
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What do you mean terrible? What's so great about humanity anyway? Do we really need to survive another hundred years?
 
  
         
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           rad smiles
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ugh yeah like soy in brazil.
 
  
         
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 09:50 [#02222985]
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 09:51 [#02222986]
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We are fucking brilliant. Do pipe down.
 
  
         
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           glasse
             from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-07-19 10:55 [#02222991]
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           horsefactory
             from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 11:01 [#02222992]
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           cyrstal dude
             from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-07-19 13:34 [#02223034]
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maybe nuclear power is a good idea, but i do think global  warming is real. the vast majority of scientists would  agree. we just don't know how much of an impact it's going  to have. this unknown factor makes it all the more important  to cut carbon emissions. you can argue that there are  lobbies who want tax increases and are using climate change  as an excuse to get this money, but by the same token there  are people in the oil industry pushing the opposite view for  their own ends. so at the end of the day, you just have to  look at the figures, and the world has been warming up at  the same rate as human co2 emissions have been increasing.  it's too much of a coincidence.  
 
  
         
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           chambre noire
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The Great Global Warming Swindle
 
  
         
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 13:45 [#02223042]
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My thread is better.
 
  
         
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           AMPI MAX
             from United Kingdom on 2008-07-19 13:58 [#02223046]
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I was going to watch that when it was on the telly and  missed it. I wish i'd seen it now as it has converted me.  You have fixed my brain. 
 
  
         
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           w M w
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-19 16:41 [#02223101]
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