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offline Gwely Mernans from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2008-07-10 10:53 [#02220929]
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Anyone here read his books?

I've read a few and this is my conclusion, it's probably
already widely concluded too, I just haven't looked into it
much.

My theory is that don juan never existed. Castaneda never
even had proof to shut up the sceptics. I think he was just
an anthropologist in the hippy era, did some peyote, had a
vivid religious experience melded with his knowledge of
early mexican shamanism, and concocted his theory of living
beyond death as an inorganic being.

I think alot of the stuff he says could be true, but I don't
think it came from some psychic shaman that always reads his
thoughts and speaks perfectly about stuff, I think that was
him. Even though I doubt the existence of don juan, I don't
disclaim the teachings, i just think its from Castaneda
himself, and the only way to get people to believe or read
it, is to usher in a confabulated shaman to verify his own
words, which wouldn't be credited if not for a mystical
fictional character like don juan.

Besides, it all boils down to the teachings and findings of
this theory, it never really mattered if don juan existed or
not. We're still left with Castaneda's intriguing theories
on the dark sea of awareness, infinity, inorganic beings,
and the sorcerers way of cheating death (apparently only
something sorcerers can do), which therefore adds a
religious cult aspect to his teachings, the fact that you
have to follow his words and teachings to basically become a
drug induced meditating monk, experience the other fabric of
our twin world through inner silence, and then to implement
his teachings to live on after death.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-07-10 11:05 [#02220932]
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good gwely,excelent.

i read a lot of books,if not all...
and the idea of a non-existing Don Juan is fine,all coming
from a writer that goes beyond the invisible(?).

i like how he talks about the mass energies and how can we
deal with this on a simple actitude of no fear and pure
intention.

lots of laughs when Genaro and Don Juan laugh about his
early fucking logic time.


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2008-07-10 11:20 [#02220933]
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apparently he is quite controversial in the anthropological
world. most dismiss him as being a crazy guru. but there are
those who appreciate his presence because he did much to
popularise the field by romanticising it like he did in his
books. he turned me onto anthropology. my favourite was
Journey to Ixtlan, I found it to be the most practical and
he didn't even ingest or smoke anything in that one. as far
as i can remember genaro makes many appearances. he is a
cool character :)


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2008-07-10 13:12 [#02220956]
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i read the teachings of don juan, was profoundly affected by
it and subsequently gutted to hear it's mostly fiction.

Still, i bought 2 of his other books for future reading.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2008-07-10 13:43 [#02220958]
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maybe don juan would suggest that our past, present and
future realities are pictures that we paint of reality, and
not reality itself. for this reason, we can learn from
legends of teachers who did not exist as "real" people, but
rather as aggregates of collective understanding. after
all, isn't it the ideas that are important?

maybe castaneda was wise, or maybe he was shrewd in
recognizing that western people needed a mythical, avuncular
character to entertain the ideas. not that the ideas are
entirely castaneda's...

unfortunately i read the first book so long ago i don't have
anything else to contribute.


 

offline thatne from United States on 2008-07-10 15:58 [#02220967]
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thanks for reminding me to reread castaneda's books
i used to own and love them but i guess i sold 'em off


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-07-12 13:12 [#02221410]
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Castaneda blended fiction, religion, fantasy and facts in a
way not dissimilar to L. Ron Hubbard, although, at least in
the beginning, not as cynically or in a calculating manner
as that albino dwarf. Actually I kind of like Castaneda's
books, especially the ones where it's not about convincing
the reader and more about wild out there speculations of the
living universe.


 


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