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           pulseclock
             from Downtown 81 on 2008-06-13 00:49 [#02215549]
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 has anyone tried to make a Big Screened Televsion into a  working synthesizer?
 
  can it be done?
 
  
         
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           Paco
             from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2008-06-13 01:16 [#02215550]
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Yes.
 
  
         
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           pulseclock
             from Downtown 81 on 2008-06-13 01:36 [#02215552]
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man for this i bet there's a whole other messageboard, where  do i start?
 
  there's what looks like a busted Big Screen T.V. sitting on  the lawn a couple  houses away. Can't just let a broken  screen stop it, looks like some anger went into the screen. 
 
  
         
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           pulseclock
             from Downtown 81 on 2008-06-13 02:11 [#02215558]
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i am obsessed with this and i have no clue about any of it.  I don't even have a dolly to carry it home, can't use a  skateboard. 
 
  
         
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           futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-13 06:44 [#02215582]
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I expect you could use a TV as a monitor for a laptop/PC  running a soft synth, but getting touchscreen capabilities  and stuff like that so you could actually USE the TV as a  control interface would be very difficult to say the least. 
 
  
         
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           glasse
             from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-06-13 08:06 [#02215590]
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Yea as far as circuit bending the tv itself I have no idea.
  If it can be done, this guy would know.
  Of course, if you have a sampler, a synth with an external  input, or even a bunch of fx pedals you can get good results  just from the audio output of the tv.  Of course it being a  big screen won't help you for that, (unless you lay it flat  and mount your pedal chain on top of it), and you might get  better results just getting an old UHF dial tv from the  salvation army (although this change from analog to digital  broadcast is going to keep the rabbit ears from working, so  hrm on that).  Dial tuners on radios or tvs are cooler  though because you can blend and modulate the tones and  frequencies. 
 
  
         
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           futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-13 14:47 [#02215690]
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....Mind you don't wanna go round poking wires in a TV that  runs off mains power... 
 
  
         
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           vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2008-06-13 14:49 [#02215691]
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a toaster then, can it be done?
 
  
         
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           pulseclock
             from Downtown 81 on 2008-06-13 16:10 [#02215727]
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was half baked idea, i walked over to it today and it was  stupid, maybe an oscilloscope though 
 
  
         
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           Sano
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Dronology
 
  
         
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           Zephyr Twin
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never mind that, lets turn a synthesizer into a big-screen  television. I heard IDM's dead anyways 
 
  
         
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           glasse
             from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-06-14 11:11 [#02215839]
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Dude, been there, done that.
 
  
         
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           Sano
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Might as well use a Wii remote.
 
  
         
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           blaaard
             from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-06-14 12:10 [#02215846]
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i have an oscilloscope... in fear of an implosive accident  or worse however, i haven't the guts to test it... someone  has a clue? 
 
  rear view: like, i need AC current into the black/red  plugs, and some low voltage into the "signal input" mmmh  right? 
 
  
         
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           futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-15 04:56 [#02215994]
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Plug it in. If where you live has a fuse box, you should be  fine. Just stand well back and wear rubber gloves. Make sure  you're grounded too. 
 
  
         
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           dave_g
             from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 05:57 [#02216004]
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Do not make sure you're grounded. This is a good way to  electrocute yourself. I am an electronics engineer, you can  trust me on this one.
 
  If you do power it up make sure you have a way of turning it  on and off well away from the scope. If your wall socked has  a switch, use this, or perhaps just yank the plug from the  wall.
 
  I don't think the tube will implode. Normally this only  happens when you drop them. Due to the lower pressure inside  the tube it smashes inwards and tiny bits of glass go  everywhere. So don't drop it! I would cover the exposed  sides with some wood or something just incase any capacitors  or anything explodes (unlikely but don't risk it)
 
  It looks very homemade. I'm not sure what voltages you need  to put into those sockets. It may well be mains voltage. I  would check to see if the fuse connects in line with the red  socket and if so see what value the fuse is. If its voltage  rating (written on it usually) is the same (or slightly  higher) than your mains AC voltage (230V in Germany(?)) then  I guess you plug the mains into the red and black sockets. I  would use insulating tape to cover any bare cables which  carry the mains electricity and I wouldn't poke around near  there when it is powered up.
 
  The signal input socket is indeed a low voltage level. I  would start with say a AA battery or similar. Set the scope  to be DC coupled and set the vertical scale to 0.5V/div. Set  the displayed line to be half way up the screen. connect the  battery to the input (connect the - and + terminals to the  outer and inner conductors on the input). The line should  move by about 3 squares either up or down depeding on the  polarity of the battery(i.e. which way round you connected  it).
  Usually the inputs are BNC sockets, but yours looks  different.
 
  wikipedia has an article on oscilloscopes which may give you  some info on how to use it if you're unfamiliar or you can  ask me if you get stuck.
 
 
 
  
         
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           blaaard
             from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-06-15 07:06 [#02216009]
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thanks for directions! 
  i tried using it last night and surprisingly, a standard 9V  DC power adapter seems to work just fine for powering the  CRT. this is what the screen will show with no  signal in, and this is a 440 Hz sine wave  generated by Audacity.
  the oscilloscope is back in its rack casing now... this will  hopefully absorb some testicle-unfriendly x-rays :|
 
  guess what i have here is just a display unit, as there are  no controls whatsoever except for brightness... also no grid  on the screen (?). no idea to what use this thing can be  put. dunno, is a crt capable of generating anything  interesting? signal input plug is cinch btw.
 
  i stole it from a basement storage room at uni... and  there's more stuff there, most looks like oldschool 60's or  70's physics measurement equipment in racks.... maybe  another raid will help :D 
 
  
         
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           blaaard
             from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-06-15 07:13 [#02216011]
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btw if a higher frequency sine wave is sent into it, the  number of horizontal bars will increase.... and with music  sent, the image is pretty much a flashing around variation  of the idle one... 
 
  
         
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           dave_g
             from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 08:34 [#02216031]
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yeah it's not an oscilloscope I'm afraid to say. Looks like the display unit for something.  See if you can get an oscilloscope in the storage basement.  It will typically have many more controls and like you say a  grid on the screen.
 
  The CRT could be used for making silly patterns and things  but really it's not worth it. You can pick up a cheapo scope  on ebay for hardly anything. 
  A proper scope has the most essential circuit, which is the  trigger circuit. This ensures the waveform is stable on the  screen. Your CRT won't have this so even if you do add an  input scaling circuit (like a potentiometer) and adjust the  sweep time of the horizontal deflection circuits it still  will look horrible.
 
  If you take a few photos next time you go for a raid I can  see if I recognise anything.
 
  This thing you have is essentially a piece of junk on its  own. I doubt it's worth the effort in even trying to get it  to do something vaguely useful/interesting.
 
 
 
  
         
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           futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-15 11:56 [#02216098]
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Gah fuck, my electrical knowledge is clearly totally warped  lol. 
 
  
         
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           futureimage
             from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-15 11:57 [#02216099]
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Some guys turned a TV into a "scope"... obviously not very  accurate/an actual oscilloscope at all, but it blurted out  loads of lissajous patterns which is cool if that's all you  want it for - pretty patterns. If you want it to  measure/compare/tune signals, don't even go there. Buy a  used scope off eBay, they're usually fairly cheap. 
 
  
         
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           blaaard
             from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-06-16 02:51 [#02216244]
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okay will post photos next time i get my hands on that  treasure room key. 
  it is pretty much stuffed to the ceiling with old, heavy  weight electronics. 
 
  
         
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