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offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2008-02-02 16:53 [#02171018]
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Evening all.

Once again, I find myself laboriously exporting single note
samples of synth patches made in vsts over a few octaves for
use in other programs that only support .wav samples. It
takes bloody ages and is mindless, unrewarding work. I
cannot believe there isn't a better way of doing this. Does
anyone know of a sampler where I can load in a VST, put in a
single note and say "render from C2 to C4", enter a file
name and wind up with a load of .wavs named "filename -
notename". I'm sure the folks who make sample
CDs/soundfonts, don't spend all this time on it.

Thanks in advance for any serious help/advice. w M w, thanks
in advance for your unfunny, predictible contribution.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2008-02-02 16:58 [#02171019]
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Jesus, Ceri, don't you know how pompous and snooty the last
sentence makes you sound?

On topic, a program which you've described would be helpful.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-02 16:59 [#02171021]
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The free DiscoDSP highlife does that. Not sure what format
it saves the samples in. If you're interested I will post
you a link to an older version because the newest version is
missing some features.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-02 17:10 [#02171024]
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LAZY_FREEWARE

You will have to sit down with the pdf and spend half an
hour figuring out how it works. All of DiscoDSP's software
is incredibly user-hostile.

It's funny, for a while he was giving away version 1.4 which
is when I snagged it. Then he released an inferior open
source version and made 1.4 payware again. A confused man.


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-02-02 17:13 [#02171026]
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also, couldnt you render one file of a sequence of octaves,
make sure they decay before the next one plays, and then
chop that up in your sampler?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2008-02-04 09:11 [#02171629]
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Hedphukkerr: Yes, I suppose rendering an octave from
lowest->highest could easily be chopped up into its
component parts in Recycle, that'd certainly speed things
up.

Fleetmouse: Thanks for that, I shall have a read of this
when I have some spare time and see if it helps.

Marlowe: I understand you seem to find w M w amusing, I and
many others do not. I'm not sure I follow, "On topic, a
program which you've described would be helpful." Are you
saying one of the programs I've described/alluded to can be
used for this, or are you saying that in order to give help,
you need to know the name of the programs I'm using? It's
not often I read one of your posts and am unsure of the
meaning. :)


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-02-04 10:27 [#02171656]
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Try Sony Acid or Soundforge.

If you do as hedphukker says, you can use SoundForge's
auto-region thingie if you set the BPM so that each note
will be a measure or something. Then you can export the
regions (they call it "extract regions" for some reason)
automatically. They'll then have a common file name prefix
that you set, and each file will be named 01, 02, 03, etc,
by default, but you can edit that in a list to match
whatever you want. The problem is that SoundForge isn't a
sequencer. Acid, however, is, and the programs, being from
the same producer, share metadata-files, so if you create
the file in Acid and export it to SoundForge, you just have
to use the auto-region thing. It's kind of annoying that
they don't have the SoundForge features in Acid, but I guess
that's just because it's not a common use for a sequencer or
something.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2008-02-04 10:32 [#02171657]
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Ta DM, although I've not touched them for a good few years,
I used to use both soundforge and acid a lot, so I'll bear
that in mind as an option. Cheers mate.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2008-02-04 10:35 [#02171658]
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the openlabs neko is meant to have such software were you
could just plug in your fav synth, press a button and go to
sleep and in the morning it would sound like a complete nord
lead or moog or whatever.

since the neko is just a computer it might be worth checking
the soft out because it's probably some windows app.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2008-02-04 16:42 [#02171815]
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I have nothing constructive to add.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-27 17:40 [#02422773]
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Just an update on what I worked out for this, in case it
helps Marlowe or others.

I now use Reason almost exclusively for making music, unless
doing a hardware track.

I load the VST/patch I want into a template track in Live or
Floops that plays three full octaves, with each note
separated by silence. I then render this as a track, load it
into Recycle, autoslice so every note is detected. Export as
a .Rex. Fire up reason, load the .Rex into NN-XT (Yes,
little known trick, you can! :)) then auto-assign to keys
based on pitch.

Sounds long winded, but so much is automated, it's very
fast. If you keep all 3 programs open and do it in batches,
the time per "soundfont" (for want of a better word) is
minimal.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-27 17:41 [#02422774]
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Oh and sorry I was unkind to you w M w, through the filter
of time, it really looks dickish and petty. I apologise.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-10-27 19:18 [#02422785]
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Don't you find that kills the liveliness of many VSTis?

Also, can you please ban clark672010?


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2011-10-27 19:34 [#02422786]
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Ceri JC!?... who he?

I'm suprised there isn't a Chinese sweatshop somewhere with
a collection of classic synths and peasants to do
multisamples while the bourgeoisies sip their mocachinos...

You say you use Reason now. Does that mean you never
finished (started?) your xoxbox?

I think your work flow may impact the sound. I know it's all
digital and super wonderful, etc but I always think this is
the audio equivalent of sequentially re-saving jpegs,
there's some funkyness going on.

I always thought Reason did renders of the song worse than
the "live" version. I used it a bit a few years ago and
ended up muting and multi-tracking the soundcard outputs
which was a massive pain, but seemed to sound better to my
ears.


 

offline hexane on 2011-10-27 20:43 [#02422788]
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2econded


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2011-10-27 22:26 [#02422794]
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Hello Ceri CJ what have you been up to lately?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2011-10-27 22:40 [#02422795]
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It's Ceri JC not cj.


 

offline betamaxheadroom on 2011-10-28 08:53 [#02422820]
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careful, the last person to ask that got banned themselves


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-10-28 10:10 [#02422821]
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today, i too was suddenly done with clark672010


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2011-10-28 14:18 [#02422824]
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tnx for notice


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-10-28 18:06 [#02422829]
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(just joking, I know fobia is clark)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-31 19:24 [#02422971]
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Fleetmouse: I tend to spend whole evenings "making sounds"
then other nights composing tracks using the presets/single
hits I've created. It's pretty rare for me to want to change
a sound for a particular track (more than I can do with FX),
or make a specific sound for a piece.

Sorry, Clark is protected.

Dave_g: x0x box unstarted and I am leaning towards selling
it as a (as it came) collection of bits. I did um and arr
about buying a midi->convertor, to at least allow the 101 to
be more integrated into my setup (that was in part why I
wanted it). Even the 101 is sitting unloved in the loft at
the moment though. My other stuff I should have already
sold, it's just through idleness, not desperately needing
the money and lack of time. I still absolutely love the
ESX-1 though.

I've done a bit more messing around with automotive
electronics, so my soldering has improved, marginally.

Rendering in Reason was terrible until about version 4 and
you're right, it was an oddity in that it playing live
sounded much better. I too used to do the "bounce each
track" trick. Really annoying. The difference between the
quality has closed up a lot now, so that I now just bounce
the whole track within Reason. That is, unless we're sending
each track out to the desk.

-crazone: I'm good thanks, life is back on track after 2010
when my wife carked it, then my best mate got killed, then I
nearly died in a bike crash. New job, new woman, new bike,
new car. Getting heavily into offroad motorcycling and to a
lesser extent, mountain biking. Also doing more extreme
camping/survival stuff too. I now live in a mansion (well, I
do until next week; then I move out back to my old house),
which has been fun, but killed of my ambition to ever live
in a grand old house. It soon becomes 'normal' and then
you're just stuck with the hassle of everything being old
and breaking all the time. Cool to be able to play snooker
in the house, though. I do music less often, but still very
regularly and the quality:crap ratio has imp


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-31 19:24 [#02422972]
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+roved a lot though.


 

offline robbie_eleckt from time to time on 2011-10-31 22:20 [#02422974]
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protected?? fuck me


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-11-02 09:10 [#02423046]
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Have you tried doing the whole sequencing thing and then
processing the file in recycle? That's what I use when I do
a lot of microedits.


 


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