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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2008-02-02 16:53 [#02171018]
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Evening all.
Once again, I find myself laboriously exporting single note samples of synth patches made in vsts over a few octaves for use in other programs that only support .wav samples. It takes bloody ages and is mindless, unrewarding work. I cannot believe there isn't a better way of doing this. Does anyone know of a sampler where I can load in a VST, put in a single note and say "render from C2 to C4", enter a file name and wind up with a load of .wavs named "filename - notename". I'm sure the folks who make sample CDs/soundfonts, don't spend all this time on it.
Thanks in advance for any serious help/advice. w M w, thanks in advance for your unfunny, predictible contribution.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-02-02 16:58 [#02171019]
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Jesus, Ceri, don't you know how pompous and snooty the last sentence makes you sound?
On topic, a program which you've described would be helpful.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-02 16:59 [#02171021]
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The free DiscoDSP highlife does that. Not sure what format it saves the samples in. If you're interested I will post you a link to an older version because the newest version is missing some features.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-02 17:10 [#02171024]
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LAZY_FREEWARE
You will have to sit down with the pdf and spend half an hour figuring out how it works. All of DiscoDSP's software is incredibly user-hostile.
It's funny, for a while he was giving away version 1.4 which is when I snagged it. Then he released an inferior open source version and made 1.4 payware again. A confused man.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-02-02 17:13 [#02171026]
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also, couldnt you render one file of a sequence of octaves, make sure they decay before the next one plays, and then chop that up in your sampler?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2008-02-04 09:11 [#02171629]
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Hedphukkerr: Yes, I suppose rendering an octave from lowest->highest could easily be chopped up into its component parts in Recycle, that'd certainly speed things up.
Fleetmouse: Thanks for that, I shall have a read of this when I have some spare time and see if it helps.
Marlowe: I understand you seem to find w M w amusing, I and many others do not. I'm not sure I follow, "On topic, a program which you've described would be helpful." Are you saying one of the programs I've described/alluded to can be used for this, or are you saying that in order to give help, you need to know the name of the programs I'm using? It's not often I read one of your posts and am unsure of the meaning. :)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-02-04 10:27 [#02171656]
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Try Sony Acid or Soundforge.
If you do as hedphukker says, you can use SoundForge's auto-region thingie if you set the BPM so that each note will be a measure or something. Then you can export the regions (they call it "extract regions" for some reason) automatically. They'll then have a common file name prefix that you set, and each file will be named 01, 02, 03, etc, by default, but you can edit that in a list to match whatever you want. The problem is that SoundForge isn't a sequencer. Acid, however, is, and the programs, being from the same producer, share metadata-files, so if you create the file in Acid and export it to SoundForge, you just have to use the auto-region thing. It's kind of annoying that they don't have the SoundForge features in Acid, but I guess that's just because it's not a common use for a sequencer or something.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2008-02-04 10:32 [#02171657]
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Ta DM, although I've not touched them for a good few years, I used to use both soundforge and acid a lot, so I'll bear that in mind as an option. Cheers mate.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2008-02-04 10:35 [#02171658]
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the openlabs neko is meant to have such software were you could just plug in your fav synth, press a button and go to sleep and in the morning it would sound like a complete nord lead or moog or whatever.
since the neko is just a computer it might be worth checking the soft out because it's probably some windows app.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-02-04 16:42 [#02171815]
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I have nothing constructive to add.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-27 17:40 [#02422773]
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Just an update on what I worked out for this, in case it helps Marlowe or others.
I now use Reason almost exclusively for making music, unless doing a hardware track.
I load the VST/patch I want into a template track in Live or Floops that plays three full octaves, with each note separated by silence. I then render this as a track, load it into Recycle, autoslice so every note is detected. Export as a .Rex. Fire up reason, load the .Rex into NN-XT (Yes, little known trick, you can! :)) then auto-assign to keys based on pitch.
Sounds long winded, but so much is automated, it's very fast. If you keep all 3 programs open and do it in batches, the time per "soundfont" (for want of a better word) is minimal.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-27 17:41 [#02422774]
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Oh and sorry I was unkind to you w M w, through the filter of time, it really looks dickish and petty. I apologise.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2011-10-27 19:18 [#02422785]
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Don't you find that kills the liveliness of many VSTis?
Also, can you please ban clark672010?
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2011-10-27 19:34 [#02422786]
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Ceri JC!?... who he?
I'm suprised there isn't a Chinese sweatshop somewhere with a collection of classic synths and peasants to do multisamples while the bourgeoisies sip their mocachinos...
You say you use Reason now. Does that mean you never finished (started?) your xoxbox?
I think your work flow may impact the sound. I know it's all digital and super wonderful, etc but I always think this is the audio equivalent of sequentially re-saving jpegs, there's some funkyness going on.
I always thought Reason did renders of the song worse than the "live" version. I used it a bit a few years ago and ended up muting and multi-tracking the soundcard outputs which was a massive pain, but seemed to sound better to my ears.
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hexane
on 2011-10-27 20:43 [#02422788]
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2econded
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2011-10-27 22:26 [#02422794]
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Hello Ceri CJ what have you been up to lately?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2011-10-27 22:40 [#02422795]
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It's Ceri JC not cj.
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betamaxheadroom
on 2011-10-28 08:53 [#02422820]
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careful, the last person to ask that got banned themselves
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big
from lsg on 2011-10-28 10:10 [#02422821]
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today, i too was suddenly done with clark672010
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2011-10-28 14:18 [#02422824]
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tnx for notice
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2011-10-28 18:06 [#02422829]
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(just joking, I know fobia is clark)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-31 19:24 [#02422971]
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Fleetmouse: I tend to spend whole evenings "making sounds" then other nights composing tracks using the presets/single hits I've created. It's pretty rare for me to want to change a sound for a particular track (more than I can do with FX), or make a specific sound for a piece.
Sorry, Clark is protected.
Dave_g: x0x box unstarted and I am leaning towards selling it as a (as it came) collection of bits. I did um and arr about buying a midi->convertor, to at least allow the 101 to be more integrated into my setup (that was in part why I wanted it). Even the 101 is sitting unloved in the loft at the moment though. My other stuff I should have already sold, it's just through idleness, not desperately needing the money and lack of time. I still absolutely love the ESX-1 though.
I've done a bit more messing around with automotive electronics, so my soldering has improved, marginally.
Rendering in Reason was terrible until about version 4 and you're right, it was an oddity in that it playing live sounded much better. I too used to do the "bounce each track" trick. Really annoying. The difference between the quality has closed up a lot now, so that I now just bounce the whole track within Reason. That is, unless we're sending each track out to the desk.
-crazone: I'm good thanks, life is back on track after 2010 when my wife carked it, then my best mate got killed, then I nearly died in a bike crash. New job, new woman, new bike, new car. Getting heavily into offroad motorcycling and to a lesser extent, mountain biking. Also doing more extreme camping/survival stuff too. I now live in a mansion (well, I do until next week; then I move out back to my old house), which has been fun, but killed of my ambition to ever live in a grand old house. It soon becomes 'normal' and then you're just stuck with the hassle of everything being old and breaking all the time. Cool to be able to play snooker in the house, though. I do music less often, but still very regularly and the quality:crap ratio has imp
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2011-10-31 19:24 [#02422972]
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+roved a lot though.
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robbie_eleckt
from time to time on 2011-10-31 22:20 [#02422974]
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protected?? fuck me
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2011-11-02 09:10 [#02423046]
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Have you tried doing the whole sequencing thing and then processing the file in recycle? That's what I use when I do a lot of microedits.
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