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First of all, I really wanted to revive thread because it was so nice and cosy, but the question would be lost. Basically, my stylus is getting old and worn, so I need a new one.. or, alternatively, I could get a new cartridge altogether, but the question is what would be better. I have an Ortofon Concorde Scratch, and I got it because I was thinking I should probably try to protect the vinyl when scratching. The thing is that there hasn't been all that much scratching. Sure, I'm scratching for fun from time to time, and I want to keep that option open, so I can't get a more "pure" hifi cartridge, but maybe the concorde pro or the qbert or something would be better? If I am to get a new cartridge instead of just a new stylus, I'm looking for something that will have better sound quality than the scratch while retaining the possibility of flawless scratching abilities, possibly by just changing the weight setting or something. Does anyone have any info? Alternatively, w M w can make a track. |
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just buy a new stylus, i think the difference between those mentioned carts are unnoticable |
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seconded. if you want to keep scratching i don't think there's much better you can do than the concorde scratch or maybe an m44-7. i've got one of each and the shure is louder, bassier, but the mids and highs are better on the ortofon... seeing as you already have a concorde just get a new stylus for it |
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Good. Thanks! |
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I've got m44g, I like them. Nice bass, loud like the m447 and works easily with under 1g pressure! I scratch with it set to 2.5g and the thing is great. If you want better hifi, don't get it, get concordes instead. There's not really such a thing as a bad cart out of the ones mentioned. I would say m44g is the best because the tracking weight is ridiculously low, can track very well for scratching, has nice bass and not as lossy at the top end as the m447 and doesn't look half as phallic or pathetic as the concordes. But I guess you have to work it out for yourself. I used a crappy pair of stanton 500s for years. It's all about enjoying the music at the end of the day. Don't get too anal about it. |
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the m44g sits in the groove that little bit more,making it the best for scratching. however a cactus needle inserted within the japs eye works a treat. |
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The ideal setup would be a needle with a flat frequency response, but good scratching abilites. Hifi setups are supposed to colour the sound, but when you have a mixer in between it's better to leave the colouring up to the user. I'd expect the dj range to have a flat frequency response, but the qbert seems to have a cut-off high range... I've been wanting to get a real hifi vinyl player for a while now, so I could use that for pure playback and the 1210 for music making, but at the same time I recognise the fun in having just two 1210s to play with. I wish I could afford a clearaudio or something. |
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I want a japs eye. Can I hold you tonight? |
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Everyone seems to think the m447 is the better of the two for scratching, but then recommends running it at 3.5g minimum. I can get away with pretty wild scratches at 2.5g maximum thankyou very much. - - - Ultimately who cares about frequency response? Use the EQ on your mixer if it's THAT bad! If the music sounds good then it's all good. I would avoid audiophile type attitudes. The life of an audiophile is one of diminishing returns. Just stick with professional grade/decent consumer grade stuff and spend the saved money on extra records or cactus needles maybe. Whatever floats your boat. |
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Frequency response should actually be as wide and flat as possible from the source, and then you should modify it as you go on if you want to. "I would avoid audiophile type attitudes. The life of an audiophile is one of diminishing returns." Not really. It's great when you hear really well reproduced music, but the satisfaction isn't really smaller when you hear it on sub-optimal systems: You still enjoy the music just as much while you recognise the added value of better sound. |
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You're smart to be flexible in your appreciation. Some audiophiles set a high standard of quality that results in an intolerance for sub-optimal reproduction. Anything less ends up sounding "bad" or unsatisfying. Not uncommon, especially in the high end turntable/cartridge market. I recently bought a AT440MLa cartridge, and it seems to produce a wide, flat frequency response, or "uncolored," as they say. Not for scratching, though... I liked the recently posted autechre interview in which one of them (can't recall which) described the experience of growing to love a degraded cassette copy of music and then hearing the mystique of the music evaporate when a pristine original is heard years after the fact; the absence of the distortions and artifacts of the loved cassette makes the original sound lifeless in comparison. |
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Ok you win. Now where is my mix you slut. |
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OMFG didn't I promise to do that like 6 months ago. I've failed you sir! I will TRY to get it done this weekend, but I'm pretty busy with life, the universe and everything! P.S. That Autechre quote is bang on. |
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As usual, dave_g is talking sense. The m44g is a really nice sounding scratch cartridge that would do both well. Alternately, if you have a spare headshell (I use a cheapo one for scratching- doesn't noticeably effect the sound quality or tracking), m447s are dirt cheap these days, get one of those to scratch (they will last forever, especially as you don't scratch much) and something a bit more expensive for hi-fi listening. Again, like dave I've also had a pair of stanton 500s (and 505s, which are much the same, but a little bit better) that have had heavy use over the years and are still not too bad. They sound nicer than m447s to my ears and you can scratch with them (although obviously they don't track anywhere near as well as a dedicated scratch cartridge). |
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jesus christ hey! buy heinz baked beans cause theyre better! |
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You take that opinion to a pulses forum, mister. |
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Nah, the frequency response is pretty poor and the tracking is all over the place. Saying that, m44g carts taste like shit. |
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Let's recreate that lovin' feeling! |
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