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Advocate
on 2008-01-16 12:29 [#02164219]
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I'm planning to see this movie tonight. It's a new movie by the Coen brothers (Fargo, Barton Fink, etc). A lot of reviewers say it's the best movie they've made since Fargo, and some say it's their best yet. My expectations are pretty high. Movie info.
Anyone seen it yet?
(No spoilers please.)
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rad smiles
on 2008-01-16 12:31 [#02164220]
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lets just say its no country for old men.
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optimus prime
on 2008-01-16 12:36 [#02164222]
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best genre film of 2007.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-16 12:42 [#02164224]
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iz good, yes.
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PORICK
from fucking IRELAND on 2008-01-16 13:38 [#02164233]
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it's good - i had a few troubles figuring out what the fucking yank texans were saying, betimes, but yeah, it's good.
doesn't touch fargo though.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-16 13:50 [#02164238]
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i think it will age well.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-16 14:25 [#02164244]
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Can this be downloaded yet or are you people going to actual theaters?
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-16 15:02 [#02164252]
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if its downloadable its prolly just shitty cams.
its a great film, very tense and intriguing, but just to warn you tommy lee jones in a useless character.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-16 15:19 [#02164255]
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I downloaded a great copy, but what can you say about No Country for Old Men at the end of the day, other than its violence for the sake of violence? It's well made, but hardly original.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-16 16:41 [#02164267]
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yeah, sometimes dvds are sent out to critics I think while they are still in theaters. So that could explain why some rips are so good while not even released yet.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-16 16:42 [#02164270]
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Like, I dl'ed the new bourne movie and it still had the time code numbers at the top
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-01-16 17:47 [#02164273]
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a friend used to work for a store which sent out copies of cinema films to british consulates, which had the timecodes etc...
so bogala is correctamundo.
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mimi
on 2008-01-16 18:01 [#02164275]
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scary and enjoyable flick, probably up until the pool part, then it got pretty boring pretty fast
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IronLung
from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2008-01-16 19:04 [#02164281]
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read the book first!!!
its excellent
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-17 05:00 [#02164359]
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I was thinking the same thing, after the pool shooting the film just collapsed. The vietnam vet who had been instrumental to the whole film just copped it and you didn't even see how - they messed up badly.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2008-01-17 12:27 [#02164542]
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i disagree. after the "pool scene" the film becomes cohesive. we realize it was never really about Llewelyn Moss but rather, the movie is about how crime in this small town is getting too outrageous for the old men to handle or even comprehend. This movie is about the sheriff becoming overwhelmed and ultimately forced into retirement by criminality he no longer understands.
anyway, i loved it.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2008-01-17 12:47 [#02164543]
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That's what I thought the movie was about, basically.
More generally, how an older generation are out of place in a new world created by the next, younger generation. Or something like that. Otherwise, the film is just pointless, without any subtext.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-17 13:15 [#02164556]
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Can you imagine how fucked up the world would seem to people from the 1930's if they were put in a time machine and dropped here.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 12:34 [#02176315]
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Well i finally seen it and its not as good as i thought it would be with all the rave reviews. I'll echo what others have said in this thread, that it's 'pointless', I didn't find it any deeper than the average holywood flick, no matter how hard it tried to be. Yes there is the old people living in a changed world thing, but it felt tacked on to make it appear deep. There were good ideas here and there but none were developed enough, the exchange between the physco and the old man near the beginning was very lynchian and was one of the best scenes in the movie, also we learn nothing about the killer apart from the fact that he's a phyco with no sense of humour.
Hoping that 'There Will be Blood' will not be such a disappointment..
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2008-02-17 12:42 [#02176320]
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absolutely loved this film
the hero character
wow. what a man
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-02-17 12:44 [#02176322]
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its awesome
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 14:50 [#02176363]
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awesome film. (still watching it though).
i've got a quite different take on it's meaning though. the old men from the title are the vietnam veterans. and they brought the war back to america. america is not a country for those old men. it's the old men who bring those outrageous things.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 14:52 [#02176364]
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tommy lee is a vet as well, of course (speculation, i'm 1.50 in)
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:01 [#02176365]
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damn. the ending sucks
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 15:16 [#02176370]
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*spoilers*
what do you think happened when his wife refused to choose a side of the coin?
also why didn't he kill tommy lee jones's character, he killed just about everyone else he came across
and whats with the car crash? what was the point?
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:26 [#02176375]
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sorry to milk my theory here, but here it goes anyways.
the four protagonists are all vets. -brolin and harrelson explicitly stated in the movie - bardem, the psycho: harrelsons and bardems characters know each other, which is the first indication. the second being his survival/war skills. a psycho just doesn't pick those things up in normal life. he must have been to war.
- and tommy lee. he doesn't seem a man who's overwhelmed. he gives the impression he knows pretty well what's going on. more so than his younger assistants. for instance, he even ends up just a bit too late at brolins place in el paso (think also of how easily harrelson found brolin - vets know how to find each other, because they know how they think). also, in the end where he talks with his wife telling he's having dreams again...well yeah, that's what vets do, don't they.
god, i hate the open ending
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-02-17 15:26 [#02176376]
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*spoilers*
he almost certainly killed her, as when he walked outside of the house he checked the bottom of his boots for blood stains (as usual)
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 15:30 [#02176380]
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ah, yeah i forgot about that.. your probably right,
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:30 [#02176381]
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he killed her, i think. before bardem drove off he took the time to take something from the soles his boots. probably blood.
and bardem didn't kill tommy because they had no quarrel. tommy hasn't even been near him. never saw him. bardem wasn't running from the cops .
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:31 [#02176383]
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haha what the cygmeister said
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-02-17 15:35 [#02176386]
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i thought, with all the hype, this film would be class
it wasn't, it was superbly acted with an intriguing story, but it just fizzled out with a crap ending and no conclusion
the most disappointing Coen film i've seen
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:37 [#02176387]
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o, and the car-crash was just a random car crash. bardem wasn't watching where he was going, drove over a crossing and got hit by some random guy.
also, think of how bardem was obsessed with odds (the flip of a coin could save someone's live).
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:47 [#02176392]
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perhaps i wasn't clear: driving over the crossing without paying attention finally brought him in a position where he himself was against the odds (he survived though).
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-02-17 15:54 [#02176394]
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i have see it today and end satisfactory, see very disturbing the images of blood and body pain.
can congs the cohen brothers for their work. no country for old men,is country for new man thats why sherrif survive and hero die.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-02-17 16:46 [#02176405]
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The fact that this film has received such raved reviews merely shows how low mainstream expectations have sunk. They should have stuck to the two guys hunting each other as that was the only good bit about the film. The sub-plot is old hat and has no depth, trying to give such an unimaginative plot hidden depth defeated the object in the end and was superficial in itself. It was watchable but no more than that. These films are ten a penny.
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Cliff Glitchard
from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-02-17 16:46 [#02176406]
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wot barcode sed
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2008-02-17 18:02 [#02176431]
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i thought it was a great film and among the coen's best work. If you were walking into it expecting a masterpiece then its probably going to be shit for you. if you walk into it expecting a coen film far darker and better than anything they've done since Fargo you will be pleased
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2008-02-17 18:03 [#02176433]
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"the most disappointing Coen film i've seen"
im surprised youd say this taking into account Intolerable Cruelty, Crimewave, Oh brother, and Ladykillers
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OK
on 2008-02-17 20:30 [#02176444]
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oh brother is great
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 20:46 [#02176445]
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I thought the car crash was in reference to the whole coin thing? the killer telling the shop clerk to never let the coin that decided his fate become 'just another coin' and then him doing that exact thing when he left what I presumed was his 'fate coin' behind when he got the money out of the air duct. I thought the car crash (and whatever else followed) was his comeuppance for taking things for granted. Although it's very likely I'm completely wrong.
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paul8088
from United States on 2008-02-17 21:04 [#02176447]
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overall decent cohen flick
still raising Arizona bring back such good memories
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-18 00:05 [#02176464]
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i guess we agree, innit
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-18 00:23 [#02176466]
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he didn't left his coin though. he still had it when he went after his wife. and also, the guy who was saved by the coin flip got to keep the coin. bardem had no 'fate coin' for himself. he wasn't attached to a particular coin, but to the concept of chance.
anyways after reading some wikis, in the book the tommy lee character is indeed a vet. although not a vietnam vet, but a ww2 one.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-18 00:23 [#02176467]
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his wife should be the wife ...
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Barf Simpleton
from the outback (Zimbabwe) on 2008-02-18 03:45 [#02176526]
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good film but the last 20 mins was not so good becuase film wasnt as "deeeeep" as it belived itself to be so tomas lee jones character's existential angst became kind of pointless for my opinion and film began to sag like an old ladies breasts
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-02-18 03:57 [#02176532]
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I liken the movie to a male orgasm. at its peak it had a very strong erection, but ejaculated prematurely and couldn't get it up again in the end.
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2008-02-18 13:36 [#02176775]
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barcode, i agree with most of what you've said. i think they could have shortned it and kept it tighter, but for me i think most of the pleasure was watching the Coen's return to a very Blood Simple template, one of my favorites of theirs. No Country definitly did some over reaching towards the end that was unnecessary, however i only saw it one time so my opinion may change when i see it again. It took me a while to love millers crossing, when i first saw it i was kind of disappointed by it, but it quickly grew on me and i would rate it #2 just under barton fink as my favorite coen movie.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2008-02-18 15:43 [#02176857]
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Is this film against the elderly? I don't like racists.
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-02-18 15:56 [#02176861]
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its about youth,racist.
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Matik
from Oregon (United States) on 2008-02-18 22:10 [#02176928]
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overall, 'twas good.
i liked that the killer was smarter than everyone else and that he didn't get caught in the end. if only because it was not what i expected.
i felt like woody was a little out of place in this movie. he didn't last long enough to really bother me, though.
i couldn't figure out if the shotgun with the big silencer was firing buckshot or slugs...
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