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offline Advocate on 2008-01-16 12:29 [#02164219]
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I'm planning to see this movie tonight. It's a new movie by
the Coen brothers (Fargo, Barton Fink, etc). A lot of
reviewers say it's the best movie they've made since Fargo,
and some say it's their best yet. My expectations are pretty
high. Movie info.

Anyone seen it yet?

(No spoilers please.)


 

offline rad smiles on 2008-01-16 12:31 [#02164220]
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lets just say its no country for old men.


 

offline optimus prime on 2008-01-16 12:36 [#02164222]
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best genre film of 2007.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-16 12:42 [#02164224]
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iz good, yes.


 

offline PORICK from fucking IRELAND on 2008-01-16 13:38 [#02164233]
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it's good - i had a few troubles figuring out what the
fucking yank texans were saying, betimes, but yeah, it's
good.

doesn't touch fargo though.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-16 13:50 [#02164238]
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i think it will age well.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-16 14:25 [#02164244]
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Can this be downloaded yet or are you people going to actual
theaters?


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-16 15:02 [#02164252]
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if its downloadable its prolly just shitty cams.

its a great film, very tense and intriguing, but just to
warn you tommy lee jones in a useless character.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-01-16 15:19 [#02164255]
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I downloaded a great copy, but what can you say about No
Country for Old Men at the end of the day, other than its
violence for the sake of violence? It's well made, but
hardly original.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-16 16:41 [#02164267]
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yeah, sometimes dvds are sent out to critics I think while
they are still in theaters. So that could explain why some
rips are so good while not even released yet.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-16 16:42 [#02164270]
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Like, I dl'ed the new bourne movie and it still had the time
code numbers at the top


 

offline Cliff Glitchard from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-01-16 17:47 [#02164273]
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a friend used to work for a store which sent out copies of
cinema films to british consulates, which had the timecodes
etc...

so bogala is correctamundo.


 

offline mimi on 2008-01-16 18:01 [#02164275]
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scary and enjoyable flick, probably up until the pool part,
then it got pretty boring pretty fast



 

offline IronLung from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2008-01-16 19:04 [#02164281]
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read the book first!!!

its excellent



 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-01-17 05:00 [#02164359]
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I was thinking the same thing, after the pool shooting the
film just collapsed. The vietnam vet who had been
instrumental to the whole film just copped it and you didn't
even see how - they messed up badly.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2008-01-17 12:27 [#02164542]
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i disagree. after the "pool scene" the film becomes
cohesive. we realize it was never really about Llewelyn
Moss but rather, the movie is about how crime in this small
town is getting too outrageous for the old men to handle or
even comprehend. This movie is about the sheriff becoming
overwhelmed and ultimately forced into retirement by
criminality he no longer understands.

anyway, i loved it.


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2008-01-17 12:47 [#02164543]
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That's what I thought the movie was about, basically.

More generally, how an older generation are out of place in
a new world created by the next, younger generation. Or
something like that. Otherwise, the film is just pointless,
without any subtext.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-01-17 13:15 [#02164556]
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Can you imagine how fucked up the world would seem to people
from the 1930's if they were put in a time machine and
dropped here.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 12:34 [#02176315]
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Well i finally seen it and its not as good as i thought it
would be with all the rave reviews. I'll echo what others
have said in this thread, that it's 'pointless', I didn't
find it any deeper than the average holywood flick, no
matter how hard it tried to be. Yes there is the old people
living in a changed world thing, but it felt tacked on to
make it appear deep. There were good ideas here and there
but none were developed enough, the exchange between the
physco and the old man near the beginning was very lynchian
and was one of the best scenes in the movie, also we learn
nothing about the killer apart from the fact that he's a
phyco with no sense of humour.

Hoping that 'There Will be Blood' will not be such a
disappointment..


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2008-02-17 12:42 [#02176320]
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absolutely loved this film

the hero character

wow. what a man


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-02-17 12:44 [#02176322]
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its awesome


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 14:50 [#02176363]
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awesome film. (still watching it though).

i've got a quite different take on it's meaning though. the
old men from the title are the vietnam veterans. and they
brought the war back to america. america is not a country
for those old men. it's the old men who bring those
outrageous things.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 14:52 [#02176364]
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tommy lee is a vet as well, of course (speculation, i'm 1.50
in)


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:01 [#02176365]
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damn. the ending sucks


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 15:16 [#02176370]
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*spoilers*

what do you think happened when his wife refused to choose a
side of the coin?

also why didn't he kill tommy lee jones's character, he
killed just about everyone else he came across

and whats with the car crash? what was the point?


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:26 [#02176375]
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sorry to milk my theory here, but here it goes anyways.

the four protagonists are all vets.
-brolin and harrelson explicitly stated in the movie
- bardem, the psycho: harrelsons and bardems characters know
each other, which is the first indication. the second being
his survival/war skills. a psycho just doesn't pick those
things up in normal life. he must have been to war.
- and tommy lee. he doesn't seem a man who's overwhelmed. he
gives the impression he knows pretty well what's going on.
more so than his younger assistants. for instance, he even
ends up just a bit too late at brolins place in el paso
(think also of how easily harrelson found brolin - vets know
how to find each other, because they know how they think).
also, in the end where he talks with his wife telling he's
having dreams again...well yeah, that's what vets do, don't
they.

god, i hate the open ending


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-02-17 15:26 [#02176376]
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*spoilers*

he almost certainly killed her, as when he walked outside of
the house he checked the bottom of his boots for blood
stains (as usual)


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 15:30 [#02176380]
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ah, yeah i forgot about that.. your probably right,


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:30 [#02176381]
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he killed her, i think. before bardem drove off he took the
time to take something from the soles his boots. probably
blood.

and bardem didn't kill tommy because they had no quarrel.
tommy hasn't even been near him. never saw him. bardem
wasn't running from the cops .


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:31 [#02176383]
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haha
what the cygmeister said


 

offline Cliff Glitchard from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-02-17 15:35 [#02176386]
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i thought, with all the hype, this film would be class

it wasn't, it was superbly acted with an intriguing story,
but it just fizzled out with a crap ending and no
conclusion

the most disappointing Coen film i've seen


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:37 [#02176387]
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o, and the car-crash was just a random car crash. bardem
wasn't watching where he was going, drove over a crossing
and got hit by some random guy.

also, think of how bardem was obsessed with odds (the flip
of a coin could save someone's live).


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-17 15:47 [#02176392]
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perhaps i wasn't clear: driving over the crossing without
paying attention finally brought him in a position where he
himself was against the odds (he survived though).


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-02-17 15:54 [#02176394]
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i have see it today and end satisfactory,
see very disturbing the images of blood and body pain.

can congs the cohen brothers for their work.
no country for old men,is country for new man thats
why sherrif survive and hero die.



 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-02-17 16:46 [#02176405]
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The fact that this film has received such raved reviews
merely shows how low mainstream expectations have sunk.
They should have stuck to the two guys hunting each other as
that was the only good bit about the film. The sub-plot is
old hat and has no depth, trying to give such an
unimaginative plot hidden depth defeated the object in the
end and was superficial in itself. It was watchable but no
more than that. These films are ten a penny.


 

offline Cliff Glitchard from DEEP DOWN INSIDE on 2008-02-17 16:46 [#02176406]
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wot barcode sed


 

offline jackeroffer from Aruba on 2008-02-17 18:02 [#02176431]
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i thought it was a great film and among the coen's best
work. If you were walking into it expecting a masterpiece
then its probably going to be shit for you. if you walk into
it expecting a coen film far darker and better than anything
they've done since Fargo you will be pleased


 

offline jackeroffer from Aruba on 2008-02-17 18:03 [#02176433]
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"the most disappointing Coen film i've seen"

im surprised youd say this taking into account Intolerable
Cruelty, Crimewave, Oh brother, and Ladykillers


 

offline OK on 2008-02-17 20:30 [#02176444]
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oh brother is great


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-17 20:46 [#02176445]
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I thought the car crash was in reference to the whole coin
thing? the killer telling the shop clerk to never let the
coin that decided his fate become 'just another coin' and
then him doing that exact thing when he left what I presumed
was his 'fate coin' behind when he got the money out of the
air duct. I thought the car crash (and whatever else
followed) was his comeuppance for taking things for granted.
Although it's very likely I'm completely wrong.


 

offline paul8088 from United States on 2008-02-17 21:04 [#02176447]
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overall decent cohen flick

still raising Arizona bring back such good memories


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-18 00:05 [#02176464]
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i guess we agree, innit


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-18 00:23 [#02176466]
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he didn't left his coin though. he still had it when he went
after his wife. and also, the guy who was saved by the coin
flip got to keep the coin. bardem had no 'fate coin' for
himself. he wasn't attached to a particular coin, but to the
concept of chance.

anyways after reading some wikis, in the book the tommy lee
character is indeed a vet. although not a vietnam vet, but a
ww2 one.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-18 00:23 [#02176467]
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his wife should be the wife ...


 

offline Barf Simpleton from the outback (Zimbabwe) on 2008-02-18 03:45 [#02176526]
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good film but the last 20 mins was not so good becuase film
wasnt as "deeeeep" as it belived itself to be so tomas lee
jones character's existential angst became kind of
pointless for my opinion and film began to sag like an old
ladies breasts


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-02-18 03:57 [#02176532]
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I liken the movie to a male orgasm. at its peak it had a
very strong erection, but ejaculated prematurely and
couldn't get it up again in the end.


 

offline jackeroffer from Aruba on 2008-02-18 13:36 [#02176775]
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barcode, i agree with most of what you've said. i think they
could have shortned it and kept it tighter, but for me i
think most of the pleasure was watching the Coen's return to
a very Blood Simple template, one of my favorites of theirs.
No Country definitly did some over reaching towards the end
that was unnecessary, however i only saw it one time so my
opinion may change when i see it again. It took me a while
to love millers crossing, when i first saw it i was kind of
disappointed by it, but it quickly grew on me and i would
rate it #2 just under barton fink as my favorite coen movie.



 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-02-18 15:43 [#02176857]
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Is this film against the elderly? I don't like racists.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-02-18 15:56 [#02176861]
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its about youth,racist.


 

offline Matik from Oregon (United States) on 2008-02-18 22:10 [#02176928]
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overall, 'twas good.

i liked that the killer was smarter than everyone else and
that he didn't get caught in the end. if only because it
was not what i expected.

i felt like woody was a little out of place in this movie.
he didn't last long enough to really bother me, though.

i couldn't figure out if the shotgun with the big silencer
was firing buckshot or slugs...


 


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