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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 11:41 [#02163827]
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why bother? aside from the size of the machine...there's no optical drive...one or two ports...and for 200 bucks more you could get a macbook pro which has a lot more power than this thing. blah
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 11:44 [#02163828]
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Yeah, I dont get it at all. Seriously, wtf? It might be a good computer for a kid, but it seriously serves no purpose aside from necessitating another computer to update this thing (or spending $99 to get a usb external disc drive).
RETARDED.
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Flappypants
on 2008-01-15 11:45 [#02163829]
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Maybe they're trying to compete with OLPC.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 11:48 [#02163832]
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MacBook Air Price: $1799
i'd rather spend a few more bucks and get a Pro model with everything i need...
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 11:49 [#02163834]
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The new airport extreme's look good though, i might look into one of them...but i can't believe they thought macbook air was a great idea
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 11:52 [#02163836]
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3000 for the SSD memory version FUCK THAT SHIT
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-15 11:53 [#02163837]
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i think it will sell very well. but, it's a niche thing... 'ultra-portable' has become a pretty big market. that's what they're appealing to.
it's for meetings and travel, not really a main work machine.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 11:54 [#02163840]
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Seriously this machine is basically bricked unless you spend ass loads to get this thing to work properly:
Time Capsule, External SuperDrive, other Computers, iTunes rentals.
its bullshit.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 11:56 [#02163842]
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I hear ya on ultra portable, but laptops are reasonably thin as is. It's still the same size, just a different thickness. Still requires that same type of laptop bag that holds other machines that have 3+ times the shit and weighs less than 3lbs more.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-15 12:00 [#02163848]
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yeah, but with this market all the peripherals aren't as important because a business dude or travel guy doesn't want to carry all of that stuff. plus, bluetooth makes usb a little less necessary.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 12:00 [#02163849]
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unless you have a piece of shit dell laptop thats friggin huge and clunky pretty much all newer laptops are portable...you're right on glotch
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 12:02 [#02163852]
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...but if you're travelling around too an optical drive is nice to have. what if you have to burn a cd or something for someone...i'm looking at this thing from an audio/video standpoint. it might be good for billy and sue in elementary school, but for that amount of money it should come with a free iPod and regular macbook...
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 12:05 [#02163853]
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Business man to his colleague at a work meeting:
"Hey, can you burn me a copy of that powerpoint presentation? Lovely superduper thin laptop btw!
iColleague:
"Ummm....."
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 12:10 [#02163855]
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For this lack of functionality it should be under $1000.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 12:12 [#02163856]
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So if a tech has to repair these fuckers in a shop, they have to reimage them from a usb drive or remotely?
fun…
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 12:15 [#02163859]
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It’s like owning a vacation home, but you still need a car to get there. Then you realize your car has a stereo, seats, heat, and A/C, but the vacation home is underfurnished and without any amenities.
What’s the point if the shit you need to have to get this running properly is better than the thing itself?
Redundant marketing ftw!
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-15 12:16 [#02163861]
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those bastards - now theyre selling white macbooks with black keyboards.
i wanted that, but i have to wait until my warranty goes out to do it.
also, those of you bitching about a laptop not having optical (and that seems to be the only apparent gripe so far, and the price) well, remember not everyone uses computers for the same things you do.
laptops are now becoming peripherals themselves and some people want something you can whip out in about 5 seconds.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 12:18 [#02163862]
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Though laptop sales have trumped desktop sales for main personal computer usage, so.....
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-15 12:20 [#02163863]
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so....?
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2008-01-15 12:26 [#02163868]
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So those who consider them as "peripherals" are not in the majority. Most people are using them as cental work stations and require them to perform as portable desktops, not portable portables.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2008-01-15 12:50 [#02163877]
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people that need a laptop for presentations and office thingies will choose that above the macbook pro because of it's size for sure. the 80 hard drive is also pointed to a user who has a few programs only.
for th eprofessional user no way - i mean i would have to use a usb hub right after taking this thing out of the box...
also - i would be a bit afraid about durability - my hp laptop is pure plastic, it's ugly as fuck but i had it at about 20 gigs and no crash ever on stage. this macbook looks too delicate.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2008-01-15 12:53 [#02163878]
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although it might be cool with a docking station actually in which you would have multiple usb and firewire ports.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-01-15 13:02 [#02163882]
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call me a mac zealot, but i love the thing. it's got basically everything i need and it's ultra thin/light. beautiful piece of engineering.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-15 13:05 [#02163884]
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it is awesome, but about $500 too expensive. i'm sure there'll be a price drop.
the one thing that surprised me is that i would've expected the battery life to be better since there's no moving parts at all.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-01-15 13:12 [#02163889]
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Whenever I see something that sacrifices function for form, it makes me throw up in my mouth a bit.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-15 13:14 [#02163892]
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It's main function/feature is it's form.
It's small.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-01-15 13:19 [#02163897]
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i wanna snap it in half
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2008-01-15 13:19 [#02163898]
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about the optical drive - i use the optical drive ONLY to install microsoft windows - besides that i have all my software on the hard drive.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2008-01-15 14:06 [#02163914]
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i could do with a smaller machine while carrying my main system around, simply because it's not too easy to whip out a 17" beast on the train or something.
but for the price of this thing, i'd much rather just get a second hand 12" PowerBook G4. considering that this MacBook Air isn't gonna be useful for much else other than web browsing and the occasional code crunch while on the move, the G4 would be more than adequate for that task.
in fact, i think when i can afford it, i'll do just that.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 15:04 [#02163923]
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i constantly use the DVD drive to back up files rip cds etc. i guess if all you do i surf the web or just need a machine to do specific tasks this is okay, but there's a macbook which costs less and offers more...same battery life, same screen size, more memory if you need it, ports etc etc.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2008-01-15 16:26 [#02163941]
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but you don't look as cool®
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2008-01-15 16:43 [#02163943]
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does it run
on air?
hu hu hu
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-15 17:05 [#02163947]
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its really nice and fits a niche market but its just too expensive, it should be priced not much more than a macbook not almost as much as a macbook pro!
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-15 17:07 [#02163950]
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i think this is not aimed at you crimson, it's not competing on features it is competing on portability.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-15 17:14 [#02163960]
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i like it, i want one, i am drunk
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mimi
on 2008-01-15 17:19 [#02163968]
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air should be free
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-15 17:22 [#02163969]
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i'm debating getting drunker
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-15 19:40 [#02164002]
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crimson: only one question remains: you back up using DVDs??
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 20:28 [#02164009]
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umm...yea
i work with video, clients like having a hard copy for home/office viewing. i have external hard drives but they've died on me in the past so i make a spare copy for archival purposes...never hurts.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-15 20:31 [#02164010]
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so who exactly is this product aimed at epohs?
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OK
on 2008-01-15 22:22 [#02164029]
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I very rarely use the optical drive. But I do have to use them on rare ocasions.
i think apple are losing it.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-15 23:01 [#02164034]
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i think its a smart move. its not for me but it looks like one well made computer, i'd be more concerned possible heat issues in such a small form.
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staz
on 2008-01-15 23:13 [#02164035]
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it's too bad scrooge mcduck copyrighted it!
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-16 07:23 [#02164127]
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businesses travelers (meetings), rich college kids (carry between classes), urban commuters ..
for instance, my mom is a consultant driving around all over the state, i'm not even sure she has a peripheral other than a printer that she connects to via a network at home, and a usb key to backup forms. her entire job is traveling to meetings. this is aimed at someone like her.
i'm thinking that they are aiming at people who realize that this is not a primary workstation. if they need to burn or load CDs they'll use their office desktop.. i believe it has the ability to access another machine's CD drive wirelessly. they may be a little ahead of the curve, but i also think that's cool. bring on the day where i can ditch CDs all together.
this is a machine that is focused on portability, which i think is pretty cool. larger laptops are beginning to compete with desktops on features, which is cool in it's own way but i think it has come at the expense of a focus on true portability. the air i think will begin to push a certain segment of the market back in that direction (i know it's not the first ultra-portable), and i think that's good.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-16 08:09 [#02164142]
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Epohs, i can understand that the person on the go would like this...my argument is why not create a different device...an iphone or ipod touch type device on steroids perhaps.
macbook air = 3 lbs macbook air optional optical drive= 1lb
that puts you at 4lbs. if you decide to purchase that drive.
MB air=$1,800 MBA optical drive= $100 ethernet adaptor $30
grand total $1,930 unless you go with the flash/hard drive i'd be $3,130 --------------------- mackbook= roughly 1000 bucks...with the optical drive and everything you need. But oh...it weighs five pounds.
If the weight was the issue of portability you need to hit the gym. really 3 or 4lbs vs 5lbs...please.
the remote optical disc set up thing is a good idea. But it needs a little more work and most users will probably never get past the set up stage with it. Basically you have to have an install disc with you to set up the machine you'll be mooching off of. this means you'll have to carry that disc everywhere with you and you're pretty much F'd in the A if you leave it home or lose it.
the way things are going we won't need these types of technology to function in the future. People will look back on optical discs the same way most of the people of our generation look at records/tape formats for music etc. We're not at that point yet...if you could walk anywhere and be able to access the internet or back up files wirelessly it'd be great, but again thats not always the case...and still far off from happening on a massive level. if you've got the equipment at home your good but if you're "on the go" you're pretty much fucked.
In other news Apple stock took a hit (wonder why)
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-16 08:21 [#02164144]
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yeah, it's too expensive for sure. it's on par with other ultra-portables, but that's not saying much because they're all too expensive.
i would guess there will be a price drop around may, and in the rev 2 they'll use the new Intel Penryn which will help battery life, and eventually after they've driven investment in solid state HDs they'll be the standard and the prices will go down a little because of that... maybe.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-16 08:22 [#02164147]
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Apple's stock went down partially because the entire market went down, but also because people were predicting this macworld to be so awesome that our minds were going to be blown out of our butts, and it ended up somewhat boring.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-16 08:41 [#02164153]
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yea, unless you have an iphone/ipod touch that stuff wasn't that big of a deal...actually i was hoping they'd announce 3rd party apps but that probably won't happen until Iphone 2 comes out...or ever happen.
the new airport extreme devices are a cool idea, but you're fuct when and if the drive fails. its not the issue of ripping the unit open and throwing a new drive in...its getting the new drive recognized again.
the only thing appealing about the apple tv 2 is the price cut. currently i don't have an HDTV (don't really plan on buying one) and i want a device that can do every format...not just what apple wants you to use.
hopefully next year they'll have some new interesting toys.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-16 08:43 [#02164155]
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didn't they release an SDK for 3rd party iphone developers?
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2008-01-16 08:45 [#02164156]
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o rly?
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