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offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-13 05:13 [#02163170]
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What is meant by 'authenticity' in popular music? Is a
cover version of a song necessarily less 'authentic' than,
and therefore inferior to, the original?
Illustrate your answer with detailed reference to at least
FOUR recorded tracks,and with critical reference to at least
two authors on the subject.

2500 words.


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-13 05:20 [#02163173]
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aphex twin - rhubarb
radiohead - like spinning plates (i might be wrong live
version)
bomb the music industry! - stand there 'till you're sober
clouddead - apt 2
justice - waters of nazareth

authentic = unproduced, honest - unperformed. essentially
selfish music.

imhotep.


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-13 05:20 [#02163174]
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no bibliography, sorry.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-01-13 05:23 [#02163175]
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Authentic music is music you make with yourself as the
starting point, as opposed to music you make with some sort
of external goal, like making music for a commercial or
conforming to what your producer thinks will make a hit.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-15 23:44 [#02164044]
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Well that was a nightmare of an essay to do. 06:44am. Still
2 hours before I have to hand it in!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-16 00:45 [#02164051]
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How about, like, a real autechre track is 'authentic' and a
fake 'leaked' autechre track claimed to be real isn't. Being
in context of music shouldn't change the definition unless
the word evolved into a sort of weasel-word commonly used by
someone selling something to make it seem sparkly and
wonderful and good. Kind of like 'An all new Friends, next
Thursday on NBC'. Oh, all of it is new.. wowsers


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-01-16 02:05 [#02164064]
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Was it about perceived authenticity or absolutely real
authenticity?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2008-01-16 03:53 [#02164091]
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It'll be a bit like this

Hopefully


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-16 05:50 [#02164116]
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and what about make a track ina "commercial mod" havin fun
to have lots of money of the funny pigs of the nausea world
?

fools is all the same*


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-16 05:52 [#02164117]
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"Total eclipse of the Heart" of Bonnie Tyler is a
Authenticity song then.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-16 13:45 [#02164235]
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I approached it from perceived authenticity. The hardest
part about writing these essays is working out what the
person who's marking it wants to hear.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-16 13:45 [#02164236]
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hear = read i guess.


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2008-01-16 14:01 [#02164239]
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hahaha that's funny, strange, and bit hard to believe.

reminds me of middle school. you were either a "wigger"
(excuse my language) or a skater aka rap vs rock.

once high school came around pot tended to join everyone
together and musical tastes broadened.

i went to school with a lot of white kids (myself included)


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-16 14:50 [#02164247]
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fuck skaters, we were (head)bangers. long live the grunge
scene!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-01-16 15:36 [#02164258]
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Conclusion?


 

offline pidgin from St Kilda on 2008-01-16 15:44 [#02164259]
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aphex twin
squarepusher
autechre
boards of canada
er.. chris clark

at school i put go plastic on the stereo in the common room
and nobody complained...until boneville occident kicked
in....LOL HAPPY DAYS

what was this thread about?


 

offline Advocate on 2008-01-16 16:35 [#02164264]
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A personal essay on 'Authenticity in Popular Music'

To me, authenticity in popular music is closely related to
my own subjective feeling of experiencing 'honesty' in a
song.

Frank Zappa once said: 'Writing about music is like dancing

to architechture.' What I think he meant about this
statement, is that music is an abstract art form and that an

individual's personal feelings of listening to a certain
piece of music can not be be translated into the written
word. First of all, this is because a person can not convey

his or hers subjective feelings (like joy, grief, euphoria
or melancholy) to others about - for example - a song, in an

objective way. Second of all, it is because these feelings
I've mentioned - and other human feelings - in themselves
are not objective, and it is therfor impossible to share
them to anyone but yourself without them losing some of
their 'subjective reality' which they are part of.

This brings me over to Nietzsche. He once said sometihing
like: 'In music, the passions enjoy themselves.' Music is
about, like all art, enjoying yourself (and your passions).

However, it is deeply personal Which passions you want to
enjoy. Some people like to listen to music which in the
general public is percieved as, for example, 'depressing.'
The point is that individuals themselves choose which music

suits their personality.

However, I am of the opinion that the feeling of honesty is

of a more universal and objective nature than a lot of other

human feelings. This is not restricted to art, and certainly

not to 'popular music.' But in terms of 'popular music', who

could not be affected (in some way or another) by the
honesty of Sinead O'Connor's 'Nothing Compares To You', Joy

Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', Jeff Buckley's
'Hallelujah' or Bob Dylan's 'Like A Rolling Stone'?

Historically speaking, a lot of artists are remembered for
their honesty. This includes writers, painters and
musicians.


 

offline Advocate on 2008-01-16 16:36 [#02164265]
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A coincidence? I think not.



 

offline Advocate on 2008-01-16 16:41 [#02164268]
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Btw, the paragraphs are fucked up and I don't know why.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-17 03:28 [#02164349]
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(yeh my ego blinds me to blow up,here is to complete the.)

Illustrate your answer with detailed .

trk1..Sacha Distel - Monsieur Canibal
trk2..Antonio Vivaldi - Four seasons

trk3..Geinoh Yashirogumi - Illusion
trk4..Bonnie Tyler - Total eclipse of the heart

nothing about critics,idont know critics.
free*



 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-01-28 16:18 [#02168513]
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"Authentic music is music you make with yourself as the
starting point, as opposed to music you make with some sort

of external goal"

word. just wanted an extra point quoting it.


 


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