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offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2008-01-10 01:20 [#02162026]
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Is the movie industry so fucked it needs funding from
christian lobby groups? This is not a new idea I know, but I
have not seen such a straight forward example of christian
propaganda in the arts since.. Well I don't know, but I Am
Legend left me with a little amount of vomit in my throat
knowing that poor innocent children are going to be exposed
to this sermon under the cloak of entertainment, an idea I
find more violent than any explosion or gunshot.

Treat everything as suspect


 

offline hexane on 2008-01-10 01:30 [#02162029]
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hollywood was suspect to begin with, there's you're problem


 

offline magicant from Canada on 2008-01-10 01:39 [#02162031]
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i discussed this point in this thread:

http://xltronic.com/mb/topic.php3?topic=100596

the film offended me as a secular humanist.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 01:49 [#02162033]
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Our planet is being run by slightly intelligent primates.
Someone's about ready to scrape off all this neurosludge
though and make way for some real fucked up shit.
Next year I'm gonna send out christmas cards with a picture
of Jesus and L Ron Hubbard smiling arm in arm together. Wait
I don't know anybody nevermind, plus doubt I could make
photoshop do that unless I hire a bloated jargon interpretor
to read the help file fractals and tell me how to get out of
black and white blocked layer locked practice fag
transparency anti aliased mode, and which 4 simultaneous
random key presses are required to do any mundane task..
lets see scroll the screen left.. alt plus shift, plus d,
wait no, wtf. I havn't seen that particular catastrophe of a
movie but if there even are any gems made recently the task
of burrowing through the heaps of crap to find them is not
worth it plus you're gay.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 01:54 [#02162034]
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I thought the movie pretty much sucked dick, but I don't
remember any biblical references or anything overtly
christian. That one chick mentioned god a few times but
that's all that comes to mind. The movie just sucked.

I think it's in your own best interests to not let yourself
get offended at stupid shit like this.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 01:58 [#02162035]
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I mean the Evangelical Christians get offended when a movie
has a "secular" message. Mexican got offended people made
the Taco Bell dog disappear. Everyone just gets offended at
everything these days, why do you have so many sensitive
areas people?.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 01:58 [#02162036]
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I'm drunk.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-01-10 02:00 [#02162038]
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I didn't notice anything too odious, but then again, I
didn't pay particular attention to the movie in the first
place... I seriously doubt there's going to be many converts
to the faith because of this. 'Will Smith showed me the way
to the Lord.'


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:01 [#02162039]
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Oh fuck, will smith is in it? You might have been warned to
stay away if you saw I robot. He is lucky; I love jada
pinkett; she is funny in the movie woo. She probably hates
me. Fiction in general is not as interesting or even
entertaining as some real information. Plus when you search
for real stuff you have to weed through 10,000 fag music
videos or fictional crap movies or other meme droppings,
what.


 

offline hexane on 2008-01-10 02:07 [#02162041]
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lol you just gave me an idea for xmas email attachments next
year..a gif of jesus morphing into l ron using
this


 

offline hexane on 2008-01-10 02:08 [#02162042]
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next=this gew


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:17 [#02162044]
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That would be dope. I hope it becomes a powerful meme, but
religious people are likely too ignorant to know who l ron
hubbard is anyway or if they do they won't get the negative
connotations implied.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:18 [#02162046]
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Fuck everyone; whatever happens to be successful at
replicating will continue to do so.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 02:27 [#02162050]
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Did you know: Will Smith himself is basically a
scientologist.



Attached picture

 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-01-10 02:31 [#02162051]
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breathtaking... he's quite the spiritual pimp


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:43 [#02162057]
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Actors seem particularly easy prey for those mindworms. A)
they're rich so are specifically targeted B) I guess their
allowed fantasy lifestyles makes them ignorant. I've found
that individuals that face more trying/difficult situations
are forced to think more to solve/get out of those
situations, but actors who get everything handed to them on
a silver platter have little motivation to think their way
out of anything. Behavior is molded from seeking reward and
avoiding pain; they already have everything so aren't
motivated by reward and lead elite lifestyles with little
pain.


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 02:46 [#02162059]
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he renounced it already recently, i read yesterday

anyhoo: i haven't seen the movie. but what makes me sick
about it is that christian message is just put in for
commercial reasons


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 02:53 [#02162061]
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haha, I wonder how his buddy tom cruise is taking that
news.

w M w: well put, though I think the actors you're talking
about are mainly the ones that let success go to their head.
I mean you never know for sure, but I couldn't picture
fairly grounded guy like a Tom Hanks or William H. Macy
getting all gung ho about scientology. Just the big
pop-actors that tajke on movies with lots of explosions and
sunglasses.


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 02:58 [#02162064]
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is William H. Macy scientology? i don't want to know this
stuff. i love him


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 03:00 [#02162065]
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oh he's not, i read tom hanks as tom cruise

tom cruise and will smith are half delusional in there self
loving, it must be the weakness this evil religion
exploited

i think scientology get these people for the same reasons
moviemakers get them


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 03:07 [#02162066]
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I can understand the need to find a higher purpose or what
have you, but scientology is an especially poor choice.

To quote from L. Ron Hubbard himself:

"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money
is."

- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by
Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE
FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE
SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy
Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 03:19 [#02162068]
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clarity kills the religion and makes all desillusion

stop posting shits start making noise,
the higher purpose is troll it today*


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 03:51 [#02162071]
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Try English


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-10 03:55 [#02162072]
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god doesn't equal christian.

there's really nothing relating strictly to the bible in the
movie at all, except the little cross necklace.

over-sensitive atheists are just as bad as their polar
opposites.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 04:02 [#02162073]
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As soon as you start telling people you're right and their
wrong you're all as bad as each other. You can be an
agnostic, atheist, christian or buddhist - it's all the
same, just a different brand of cigarettes. The problem is
belief itself, there is no reason why you should have any -
the body does not require "belief" for its survival and
neither does the mind. Human boredom creates a false
necessity for belief.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 04:04 [#02162074]
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Try spanish


 

offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2008-01-10 04:58 [#02162075]
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good response.


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 05:00 [#02162076]
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hollywood knows its audiance and 25% are evangelists, that
makes a god allusion christian. a perfect hollywood film
cateres to all groups. like with that shit movie armageddon
that had steve buschemi to appeal to people who like
reservoir dogs

i read that the main charactere comes to certian believes in
the end of the movie, certain believes like it's all in
god's hands.


 

offline Rook from United States on 2008-01-10 05:12 [#02162078]
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Were you people this angry about Children of Men? Which was
a spectacular movie with very strong and obvious Christian
symbolism and allusions.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-01-10 05:19 [#02162080]
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wow, I missed all that in both of these films... maybe I'm
not militant enough in my agnosticism (although that sounds
like an oxymoron)...


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 05:26 [#02162082]
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I missed it too. All I saw was crappy CGI zombies.


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 06:25 [#02162087]
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i for one are mainly concerned with insincerity


 

offline cronenburger from Ireland on 2008-01-10 06:31 [#02162088]
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oh good shite.


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2008-01-10 06:36 [#02162089]
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i watch the fresh prince


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-01-10 06:50 [#02162090]
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I went into one of their buildings once and held 2 tin cans
to see how stressed out I was. I thought they were cool
until the guy brought me into a room and tried selling me
books. I was kind of pissed that he tried to swindle me !

Picture of me with L Ron Hubert !


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-10 07:13 [#02162093]
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It didn't bother me that much... I mean, there was
so many more irritating weaknesses to the film. But, it was
lame, and it felt tacked on just to give some sort of
superficial spiritual meaning to the film.

What it was BoxBob was that the girl "knew" about the colony
of non-infected people simply through a premonition that she
recieved from "God". Then she talked about how Will Smith
needed to put his trust in the force god. He told
her god didn't exist... but, then ultimately at the end of
the movie she is proven to be right in that she drives
directly to the colony per god's instructions.

Of course, the implication there is that god really does
exist and that he PMed her the directions.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-10 07:16 [#02162094]
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Also, I think god must have levitated her over the bay,
since somehow she was able to drive across it twice even
though the bridges had been exploded.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-01-10 07:47 [#02162096]
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hehe, there is so much to hate in the ending of that film
(really the whole latter half)... they didn't even bother
with consistency.

but thanks for clearing that up - I guess the plot was so
unbelievable that I simply refused to believe my eyes...


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 07:51 [#02162097]
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and of course the zombies represent the dirty unbelievers


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-10 07:57 [#02162100]
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And the little kid he was... well, actually he was just a
worthless tool to make the girl seem a little more
sympathetic since she was obviously totally incapable of
that on her own.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-01-10 08:16 [#02162101]
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praise be sloppy film-making


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-10 08:16 [#02162102]
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Not sure I agree here. Believing that something is real
because someone tells you that you must believe it's real.
Or believing something is real because you really want it to
be real is not a good reason. Especially when there's quite
literally no actual evidence that what you are believing in
exists.

I think it's okay to point out the invalidity of beliefs
like that.

Now, to claim that you have special knowledge that something
does not exist, and that that knowledge is based solely on
your faith that it is true IS just as bad. But, not even
most atheist make that claim. They say that since there is
no evidence that god exists, the most logical thing to do is
to proceed as if he doesn't.

I think you're being intellectually dishonest if you claim
that that is the same thing as religious faith, because it
isn't.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2008-01-10 08:31 [#02162105]
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im quite shocked that this movie is considered to be
christian propaganda


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-10 08:35 [#02162106]
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only a few people here are considering it that...

although, it shouldn't be tooo surprising, since the final
thing that happens in the movie is a total affirmation of
god's existence. it wasn't all that subtle.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 08:38 [#02162107]
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evidently hollywood have wash our moral brains mind
since greta garbo shaved is head...oh sorry britney*

the important things of life are jesus christ
and nothing more.



 

offline epohs from )C: on 2008-01-10 08:45 [#02162108]
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It would've stood out more if she had said that a unicorn
had telepathically told her that he would fly her off the
island, and Will Smith had been like "wtf, you crazy" but
then at the end it showed her leaping over the bay on the
unicorn with a rainbow flying out.

That would have been cooler and made about as much sense.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 08:46 [#02162109]
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I'm sure Jesus Christ is important in many mentally retarded
people's lives.


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 08:55 [#02162111]
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can you believe it could be a little propaganda. like it
doesn't need to be made as a propaganda movie to be that
just a little bit


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 08:56 [#02162112]
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I'm sure Jesus Christ is important in meny mantally
richarded
people's lives.



 

offline big from lsg on 2008-01-10 08:57 [#02162113]
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barcode has this out-of-the-ordinairy notion that we're
animals, despite us having more self-conscienseness, we've
been over this (or it was someone else's believe here too)


 


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