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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2008-01-10 01:20 [#02162026]
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Is the movie industry so fucked it needs funding from christian lobby groups? This is not a new idea I know, but I have not seen such a straight forward example of christian propaganda in the arts since.. Well I don't know, but I Am Legend left me with a little amount of vomit in my throat knowing that poor innocent children are going to be exposed to this sermon under the cloak of entertainment, an idea I find more violent than any explosion or gunshot.
Treat everything as suspect
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hexane
on 2008-01-10 01:30 [#02162029]
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hollywood was suspect to begin with, there's you're problem
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magicant
from Canada on 2008-01-10 01:39 [#02162031]
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i discussed this point in this thread:
http://xltronic.com/mb/topic.php3?topic=100596
the film offended me as a secular humanist.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 01:49 [#02162033]
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Our planet is being run by slightly intelligent primates. Someone's about ready to scrape off all this neurosludge though and make way for some real fucked up shit. Next year I'm gonna send out christmas cards with a picture of Jesus and L Ron Hubbard smiling arm in arm together. Wait I don't know anybody nevermind, plus doubt I could make photoshop do that unless I hire a bloated jargon interpretor to read the help file fractals and tell me how to get out of black and white blocked layer locked practice fag transparency anti aliased mode, and which 4 simultaneous random key presses are required to do any mundane task.. lets see scroll the screen left.. alt plus shift, plus d, wait no, wtf. I havn't seen that particular catastrophe of a movie but if there even are any gems made recently the task of burrowing through the heaps of crap to find them is not worth it plus you're gay.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 01:54 [#02162034]
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I thought the movie pretty much sucked dick, but I don't remember any biblical references or anything overtly christian. That one chick mentioned god a few times but that's all that comes to mind. The movie just sucked.
I think it's in your own best interests to not let yourself get offended at stupid shit like this.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 01:58 [#02162035]
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I mean the Evangelical Christians get offended when a movie has a "secular" message. Mexican got offended people made the Taco Bell dog disappear. Everyone just gets offended at everything these days, why do you have so many sensitive areas people?.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 01:58 [#02162036]
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I'm drunk.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 02:00 [#02162038]
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I didn't notice anything too odious, but then again, I didn't pay particular attention to the movie in the first place... I seriously doubt there's going to be many converts to the faith because of this. 'Will Smith showed me the way to the Lord.'
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:01 [#02162039]
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Oh fuck, will smith is in it? You might have been warned to stay away if you saw I robot. He is lucky; I love jada pinkett; she is funny in the movie woo. She probably hates me. Fiction in general is not as interesting or even entertaining as some real information. Plus when you search for real stuff you have to weed through 10,000 fag music videos or fictional crap movies or other meme droppings, what.
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hexane
on 2008-01-10 02:07 [#02162041]
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lol you just gave me an idea for xmas email attachments next year..a gif of jesus morphing into l ron using this
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hexane
on 2008-01-10 02:08 [#02162042]
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next=this gew
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:17 [#02162044]
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That would be dope. I hope it becomes a powerful meme, but religious people are likely too ignorant to know who l ron hubbard is anyway or if they do they won't get the negative connotations implied.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:18 [#02162046]
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Fuck everyone; whatever happens to be successful at replicating will continue to do so.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 02:27 [#02162050]
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Did you know: Will Smith himself is basically a scientologist.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 02:31 [#02162051]
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breathtaking... he's quite the spiritual pimp
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 02:43 [#02162057]
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Actors seem particularly easy prey for those mindworms. A) they're rich so are specifically targeted B) I guess their allowed fantasy lifestyles makes them ignorant. I've found that individuals that face more trying/difficult situations are forced to think more to solve/get out of those situations, but actors who get everything handed to them on a silver platter have little motivation to think their way out of anything. Behavior is molded from seeking reward and avoiding pain; they already have everything so aren't motivated by reward and lead elite lifestyles with little pain.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 02:46 [#02162059]
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he renounced it already recently, i read yesterday
anyhoo: i haven't seen the movie. but what makes me sick about it is that christian message is just put in for commercial reasons
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 02:53 [#02162061]
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haha, I wonder how his buddy tom cruise is taking that news.
w M w: well put, though I think the actors you're talking about are mainly the ones that let success go to their head. I mean you never know for sure, but I couldn't picture fairly grounded guy like a Tom Hanks or William H. Macy getting all gung ho about scientology. Just the big pop-actors that tajke on movies with lots of explosions and sunglasses.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 02:58 [#02162064]
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is William H. Macy scientology? i don't want to know this stuff. i love him
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 03:00 [#02162065]
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oh he's not, i read tom hanks as tom cruise
tom cruise and will smith are half delusional in there self loving, it must be the weakness this evil religion exploited
i think scientology get these people for the same reasons moviemakers get them
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-01-10 03:07 [#02162066]
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I can understand the need to find a higher purpose or what have you, but scientology is an especially poor choice.
To quote from L. Ron Hubbard himself:
"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is."
- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983
"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 03:19 [#02162068]
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clarity kills the religion and makes all desillusion
stop posting shits start making noise, the higher purpose is troll it today*
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 03:51 [#02162071]
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Try English
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-01-10 03:55 [#02162072]
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god doesn't equal christian.
there's really nothing relating strictly to the bible in the movie at all, except the little cross necklace.
over-sensitive atheists are just as bad as their polar opposites.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 04:02 [#02162073]
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As soon as you start telling people you're right and their wrong you're all as bad as each other. You can be an agnostic, atheist, christian or buddhist - it's all the same, just a different brand of cigarettes. The problem is belief itself, there is no reason why you should have any - the body does not require "belief" for its survival and neither does the mind. Human boredom creates a false necessity for belief.
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 04:04 [#02162074]
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Try spanish
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2008-01-10 04:58 [#02162075]
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good response.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 05:00 [#02162076]
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hollywood knows its audiance and 25% are evangelists, that makes a god allusion christian. a perfect hollywood film cateres to all groups. like with that shit movie armageddon that had steve buschemi to appeal to people who like reservoir dogs
i read that the main charactere comes to certian believes in the end of the movie, certain believes like it's all in god's hands.
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Rook
from United States on 2008-01-10 05:12 [#02162078]
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Were you people this angry about Children of Men? Which was a spectacular movie with very strong and obvious Christian symbolism and allusions.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 05:19 [#02162080]
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wow, I missed all that in both of these films... maybe I'm not militant enough in my agnosticism (although that sounds like an oxymoron)...
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 05:26 [#02162082]
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I missed it too. All I saw was crappy CGI zombies.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 06:25 [#02162087]
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i for one are mainly concerned with insincerity
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cronenburger
from Ireland on 2008-01-10 06:31 [#02162088]
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oh good shite.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2008-01-10 06:36 [#02162089]
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i watch the fresh prince
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-01-10 06:50 [#02162090]
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I went into one of their buildings once and held 2 tin cans to see how stressed out I was. I thought they were cool until the guy brought me into a room and tried selling me books. I was kind of pissed that he tried to swindle me !
Picture of me with L Ron Hubert !
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 07:13 [#02162093]
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It didn't bother me that much... I mean, there was so many more irritating weaknesses to the film. But, it was lame, and it felt tacked on just to give some sort of superficial spiritual meaning to the film.
What it was BoxBob was that the girl "knew" about the colony of non-infected people simply through a premonition that she recieved from "God". Then she talked about how Will Smith needed to put his trust in the force god. He told her god didn't exist... but, then ultimately at the end of the movie she is proven to be right in that she drives directly to the colony per god's instructions.
Of course, the implication there is that god really does exist and that he PMed her the directions.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 07:16 [#02162094]
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Also, I think god must have levitated her over the bay, since somehow she was able to drive across it twice even though the bridges had been exploded.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 07:47 [#02162096]
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hehe, there is so much to hate in the ending of that film (really the whole latter half)... they didn't even bother with consistency.
but thanks for clearing that up - I guess the plot was so unbelievable that I simply refused to believe my eyes...
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 07:51 [#02162097]
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and of course the zombies represent the dirty unbelievers
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 07:57 [#02162100]
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And the little kid he was... well, actually he was just a worthless tool to make the girl seem a little more sympathetic since she was obviously totally incapable of that on her own.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 08:16 [#02162101]
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praise be sloppy film-making
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 08:16 [#02162102]
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Not sure I agree here. Believing that something is real because someone tells you that you must believe it's real. Or believing something is real because you really want it to be real is not a good reason. Especially when there's quite literally no actual evidence that what you are believing in exists.
I think it's okay to point out the invalidity of beliefs like that.
Now, to claim that you have special knowledge that something does not exist, and that that knowledge is based solely on your faith that it is true IS just as bad. But, not even most atheist make that claim. They say that since there is no evidence that god exists, the most logical thing to do is to proceed as if he doesn't.
I think you're being intellectually dishonest if you claim that that is the same thing as religious faith, because it isn't.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2008-01-10 08:31 [#02162105]
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im quite shocked that this movie is considered to be christian propaganda
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 08:35 [#02162106]
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only a few people here are considering it that...
although, it shouldn't be tooo surprising, since the final thing that happens in the movie is a total affirmation of god's existence. it wasn't all that subtle.
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 08:38 [#02162107]
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evidently hollywood have wash our moral brains mind since greta garbo shaved is head...oh sorry britney*
the important things of life are jesus christ and nothing more.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 08:45 [#02162108]
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It would've stood out more if she had said that a unicorn had telepathically told her that he would fly her off the island, and Will Smith had been like "wtf, you crazy" but then at the end it showed her leaping over the bay on the unicorn with a rainbow flying out.
That would have been cooler and made about as much sense.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 08:46 [#02162109]
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I'm sure Jesus Christ is important in many mentally retarded people's lives.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 08:55 [#02162111]
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can you believe it could be a little propaganda. like it doesn't need to be made as a propaganda movie to be that just a little bit
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 08:56 [#02162112]
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I'm sure Jesus Christ is important in meny mantally richarded
people's lives.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 08:57 [#02162113]
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barcode has this out-of-the-ordinairy notion that we're animals, despite us having more self-conscienseness, we've been over this (or it was someone else's believe here too)
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