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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2008-01-10 08:59 [#02162114]
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it's just that there where like dozens of movies much more related to christianity that didn't shock people that much
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 09:00 [#02162116]
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Yeah, I think humans are animals big.
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rad smiles
on 2008-01-10 09:04 [#02162118]
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we're all pink on the inside come on people now smile on your brother everybody get together try to love one another right now.
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-01-10 09:05 [#02162120]
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animals are humans ratrded>? ow...
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 09:08 [#02162121]
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we're not, not in the context of barcode, because we have more self conscienseness, or what christianity calls a soul, we want consolation and therefor come up with a God
sadist: it's not shocking, but this commercialized christianity is just suckass, like was the patriotism in transformers (haven't seen that either, but it's the idea, the idea that I have seen in other movies)
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rad smiles
on 2008-01-10 09:11 [#02162122]
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i don't know why you guys are talking about a will smith movie. 9 out of 10 movies that come out period are pure testicle drip anyways. its obvious its gonna suck. people don't know how to make movies and actors don't know how to act.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 09:13 [#02162123]
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Well, chimps probably have more self consciousness than chickens too, but they are both animals.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 09:32 [#02162129]
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I'm only disappointed because I was kinda looking forward to it. I had liked Omega Man, and I was hoping this would be a prettier more up to date version of that.
But, it ended up sucking so I vent.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 09:32 [#02162130]
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A) What's that got to do with Jesus?
B) From a biological perspective, humans are 100% animals.
C) Please educate yourself beyond primary school level if you wish to partake in adult discussion
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 09:33 [#02162132]
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A) who are you talking to?
B) agreed.
C) personal attacks get us nowhere.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 09:35 [#02162134]
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A) Big
B) Good
C) Feels good sometimes
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 09:36 [#02162136]
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:^>
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 10:04 [#02162141]
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fwiw, i don't think self-consciousness plays a role at all in my classification of what is an animal and what is not.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 10:14 [#02162145]
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a) people came up with god, so that is proof in itself that we're different
b)yes, but i was talking about the psychological stuff
c)jesus, shut up, i respected you didn't i?
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 10:28 [#02162146]
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a) none of my friends did... :(
who is this 'people'?
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 10:30 [#02162148]
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people=men different cultures in different times around the world came up with the concept of God
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 10:33 [#02162149]
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But, we're not the only animal that understands abstract concepts and symbolism.
There's that one gorilla that can speak hundreds of words in sign language.
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rad smiles
on 2008-01-10 10:34 [#02162150]
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koko :)
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 10:35 [#02162151]
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how does that prove we're not animals?
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 10:37 [#02162153]
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heehe, yep.
also, that bird that just died that could talk to the lab workers. he was using words as symbols to convey meaning... at least, it seemed like he was.
he was almost certainly conscious of himself on some level or another.
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rad smiles
on 2008-01-10 10:39 [#02162154]
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it doesn't say we're not animals.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2008-01-10 10:41 [#02162157]
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They're not exactly on the same level though. For example that chimp Sarah could detect intentions in others, but couldn't acknowledge that others could detect intentions. Something like that. Good old Sarah.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 10:41 [#02162158]
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some scientists believe animals are capable of abstractions some don't, they believe it's still like tricks to get food, like the rat pushing a button that opens a little door to his supper
coming up with an abstraction like god makes us different from animals because animals can't come up with that
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2008-01-10 10:45 [#02162162]
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The problem here is that while we seemingly have better intellectual skills, it's a little silly to look at it as a simple man/animal dichotomy.
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-10 10:46 [#02162164]
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What about the crow that could bend a wire to get to the food? Surely he was more human than Dick Cheney?
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 11:02 [#02162167]
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Whatever, the fact is, humans ARE animals. There's a big leap in sophistication between a flea and a dog, and there's also a big leap between a dog and a human, but we're all still animals. Human consciousness does not separate us from being members of the animal kingdom.
God, jesus, religion, all belief systems in fact are an abuse of our consciousness if anything. So called lesser animals use what little conscious understanding they have to its full potential, whereas humans live in some sort of fantasy world of gods and other such rubbish which only leads to division, confusion and untold self-inflicted misery.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 11:34 [#02162172]
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kingdom phylum class order family genus species
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 11:57 [#02162181]
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now you're saying religion holds us back from greater potential (as human beings), and i kinda agree with that. also i'm fine with your skill, from amoebe to human.
on the contrary i thought you said in [#02162073] that people are just animals and therefor don't need religion, and i disagreed with that reasoning
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-10 12:06 [#02162186]
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skill=scale
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 15:10 [#02162293]
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Will Smith is a monkey
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portal13
from United Kingdom on 2008-01-10 15:11 [#02162295]
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I didn't think it was overly christian. Nothing more than what your average american would say. "God told me to come here" etc...
But never the less, children aren't old enough to realise what's going on and just follow their parents biliefs.
We have to protect kids from this. Wait till they are old enough to decide for themselves.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-10 15:14 [#02162297]
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but 'we' can't let that happen: if we wait until people are old enough to decide for themselves, they'll never fall for that BS :)
'No thank you, Mr. Jesus. Now go away.'
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-10 16:45 [#02162330]
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i just finished watching it about 20 mins ago..you got to admit thought the CGI was slick man, the story could of developed a bit more i thought, appocalyptic stories usualy have a longer running time.
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2008-01-10 19:50 [#02162374]
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Religious symbolism I observed [Minus plot ques]
When Willy's family get on the chopper to leave NY they all pray together.
When Willy is saved by the chick she has a cross hanging from the mirror in her car.
When the chick pulls a photo of Willy's family out of the drawer the pose is not dissimilar to that of the virgin mary and baby jebus.
"I know because god told me" "god knows the way" etc.. Final scene is her with the antidote walking towards a church.
This seemed like an ad for christianity rather than a story that has biblical similarities as in Children of Men.
Children of men has a overtone to it, but no churches or crosses or lead characters harping on about how god knows the way he shall save us all.
Anyway I'm really happy with this threat, I think some excellent issues have been raised and discussed without the conversation deteriorating into name calling/anger etc..
WERD
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2008-01-10 23:20 [#02162415]
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REAL TALK
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2008-01-10 23:27 [#02162416]
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GIRL TALK
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Barf Simpleton
from the outback (Zimbabwe) on 2008-01-10 23:32 [#02162419]
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why does food thats meant to go in the oven taste so good when you put it in the microwave even though it looks like puke and gives you the shits ????????
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-01-10 23:39 [#02162420]
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microwave radiation vs thermal radiation?
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Barf Simpleton
from the outback (Zimbabwe) on 2008-01-10 23:57 [#02162425]
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Micro radiation is definetly the best and i am certain will smith would agree with me as would our lard and savior jesus savlon but do you think thats how will smith will outlive us all as he is no doubt already doing on an alternate tradjectory of our universe? and is the film i am ledgend merely an illusion we can percieve of will smith (the trans dimensional traveller)s report back to us from another plane of existence? or merely a sludgy boring popcorn flick for the brainead mass of cattle we call humanity to veg out to on their way to the slaughterhouse? huh HUH ?
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Barf Simpleton
from the outback (Zimbabwe) on 2008-01-11 00:01 [#02162426]
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by the way does anybody know if there is a such a thing as christian porn and if there is where can i watch it ? thanks (its for my philosophical research class)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-11 00:27 [#02162439]
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This shit is so autechre, assuming autechre is an adverb.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-11 03:00 [#02162459]
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little richard d. looks so young... and I don't mean james.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-11 10:26 [#02162528]
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Even younger here, and he wears sexy shorts! LAZY_TITLE
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-01-11 12:27 [#02162564]
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damn right sexy shorts! I thought he was famous for his "selfish jeans"?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-01-11 16:41 [#02162620]
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Well when he wears jeans he's being selfish by not sharing his sexy legs with anyone. His shorts are not so selfish.
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big
from lsg on 2008-01-11 20:29 [#02162674]
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she had a boat
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epohs
from )C: on 2008-01-11 21:47 [#02162705]
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They made such a big deal out of the bridges being blown up, and then they just skipped over how she got on and off the island.
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