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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-12-23 15:01 [#02157401]
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The case for abortion. Or at least mass sterilisation.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-23 15:53 [#02157412]
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I heard about this. Have you seen it?
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OK
on 2007-12-23 15:54 [#02157413]
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its on google video, or at least it was some months ago, it's disturbing.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-12-23 16:19 [#02157417]
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Yes, I downloaded it from filesoup.co.uk. Extremely troubling.
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mimi
on 2007-12-23 16:24 [#02157421]
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it is so troubling that i haven't been able to get a good night's sleep since i saw the film when it came out, ages ago...i have recurring nightmares, i don't even bathe but once a month, i loathe to leave my house for any reason.....i feel dead inside, because of jesus camp.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2007-12-23 16:30 [#02157424]
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I had to go to church until I was about 13 in sundayschool the children were carefully questioned and brainwashed about religion and that their way is the only way and without it you'd be miserable the rest of your life and go to hell. I didn't really buy that so I rebelled myself and tried to make fun of the whole situation so I was expelled to the grown up church service....
Here I learned about how god will seperate the good corn(people) from the bad and how he would thow the bad corn in the fire on judgement day. But the road to jesus would be like going through a sea of fire and glass. Also the main bad guy wasn't satan anymore (he was defeated by jesus on the cross) but Belial (he was pictured like a seven headed hydra like demon) The preacher declared himself directly appointed by god to tell us his messsages and the people were urged to pay a certain percentage of their money to the church (and of course Mr. "directly appointed by god").
There were also horrible songs that were supposed to be happy but when I watched the people's faces, they weren't happy at all. The only funny bit was when everyone started to speak in tongues (like having the holy spirit in you...)
I was lucky that my parents finally saw that it was a bad thing to be there so I didn't have the big arguement with my parents about it. My brother who left earlier wasn't so lucky.
I feel really sad for kids in a similar situation...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-12-23 16:31 [#02157426]
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yay!
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big
from lsg on 2007-12-23 16:40 [#02157429]
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jeebus camp
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2007-12-23 16:54 [#02157431]
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so sad.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-12-23 17:57 [#02157446]
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Saw it when it came out on dvd. I remember wanting to punch the fat lady in the face a few times.
I have a couple of cousins that live in Baltimore that are raised sort of like this, homeschooled and everything. When they finally did go off to college, one of them got into hard drugs (even heroin I'm told) and had to serve some time, the other cousin also got into drugs and had some sort of schizophrenic break down- got into physical fights with his father, sawed his guitar in half-- and now dosent even recognize my grandma when he sees her.
I bet there will be similar outcomes for many of the kids in Jesus Camp.
Also there was a point in the doc where all the kids are breaking cups that symbolize abortion or something... I just want to point out that I really loved the music and intensity of that scene, that specifically was some of the best work I've ever seen in a documentary.
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Flappypants
on 2007-12-23 17:57 [#02157447]
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All of you know that Jesus is Lord and Savior. Accept him into your hearts and embrace God once and for all. If you think I am wrong, then the devil has deceived you. I love and pray for every one of you.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-12-23 18:28 [#02157448]
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I thought the music throughout was great--some of it reminded me of Ae or BOC--I'd love to get my hands on the soundtrack.
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pigster
from melbs on 2007-12-23 19:08 [#02157454]
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fuck. its still on google videeo and i started watching it. all this over the top religious stuff that goes on i find silly, but to watch parents and people letting their kids grow up this way is sickening :|
"i can go into a playground of kids, tha dont know anything about christianity. leave them to the lord in a matter of no time at all."
no shit. they're kids.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-12-23 20:38 [#02157471]
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this year its a good christmas to be a buddhist.
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mrgypsum
on 2007-12-23 20:50 [#02157476]
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i live in the us, everynight i drive past a billboard on the highway, it always shows some kind of jesus slogan. right now it reads
"TEEN CHALLENGE!
KEEP CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS"
everytime i see it if fills me with rage, as if keeping christ in christmas is the most important thing to think about as a young person.
also, please boycott the film the compass as it promotes atheism to kids. also mind you i live in a BLUE state!!!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-12-23 20:51 [#02157477]
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why?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2007-12-23 23:19 [#02157504]
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Without a doubt we're in a time of consciousness raising towards religion, and after seeing these documentaries and speeches, reading all these books (namely god is not great and the god delusion), I'm at a point where I'm just exhausted.
I don't know where to direct my frustration towards anymore. Most of the time I just see it as some silly thing that I'm above with logical thinking, sometimes I dig deeper and am truely worried about where all this is heading. Sometimes I get enraged and feel hostile and violent towards religion, for instance while watching this (and as wolfslice said) I'd like to punch that fat lady in the face.
All in all this film just continues to affirm my thoughts on the stupidity of religion.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-12-24 06:23 [#02157547]
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just watched the whole thing this afternoon.
i think the biggest thing i felt uncomfortable with was the use of guilt in controlling young and adult minds.
how can love be true when one feels the need to control another? the sincerity of that love is further undermined by the use of fear to achieve that control.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2007-12-24 06:46 [#02157551]
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I am going to watch this. I need to find it first though.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-12-24 07:49 [#02157582]
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i almost can't believe what i'm seeing
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-12-24 07:57 [#02157585]
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can we (as an xltronic idm collective) save up for a rocket so that we can live out the rest of our lives on a super cool (not doom 3) mars utopia?
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2007-12-24 08:01 [#02157586]
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that would be a catastrophe.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-12-24 08:54 [#02157594]
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"no microphone problems in jesus' name"
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2007-12-24 08:55 [#02157596]
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All you ever see is the bad stuff though...
Don't you guys think it is good when there is organized missions to provide relief to Katrina victims, feed hungry children in third world countries, homeless shelters, programs to get people off drugs and off the streets. etc.
I mean, yea there are bad apples, or at least misguided apples in the bunch, but I don't think that being religious and being organized is a bad thing all the time. There is a lot of "good will" these organizations provide especially around this time of year.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2007-12-24 10:52 [#02157629]
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Jesus was good man!
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-12-24 10:57 [#02157631]
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yes but for the most part it is religion who we can hold responsible for the problems which they so admirably seek to 'sort out'
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2007-12-24 10:59 [#02157634]
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Jesus camp sounds fun! Sounds like there are lot's of chicks and video games!
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2007-12-24 13:23 [#02157685]
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I was impressed by some of the children's spiritual level and intelligence. All in all it was a really good documentary showing how even today kids can grow up with real values. Too bad they thought them to be fundamentalists accepting no other religion but theirs. Otherwise I would like to praise their effort.
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2007-12-24 13:24 [#02157686]
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thought=thaught
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2007-12-24 13:24 [#02157687]
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thaught=taught
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2007-12-24 13:25 [#02157688]
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aught=awt
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big
from lsg on 2007-12-24 17:11 [#02157730]
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welcome to christianity
i guess the worst thing (still have to watch one hour) was the agressiveness and that the ministerwoman turns the kids into little soldiers. it's dispicable
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big
from lsg on 2007-12-24 17:13 [#02157733]
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still have to watch 1/2 hour i mean
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-12-24 17:42 [#02157740]
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she's angry at the world cos nobody wanted to have sex with her
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big
from lsg on 2007-12-24 17:47 [#02157742]
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yea, she's probably a lesbian too, just not caught at it yet
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-12-24 18:06 [#02157747]
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shit
maybe she's a lesbian paedophile
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-12-25 11:37 [#02157914]
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she might even be a lesbian paedophile rapist practictioner of sado-masochism.
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OK
on 2007-12-25 15:20 [#02157926]
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i.e. a Christian.
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