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offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 11:21 [#02156565]
Points: 27795 Status: Regular



people think that being born means the world owes them
something
life's so big, we are small, so we always look like nothing

compatriots fulfil and halve the pain which will always be
there
life is guilt and pain and grief but this is why we can
care

build euphoric synagogues to weather storms of sadness
i would like to think my optimism is more than just a bad
guess

nothing could be finer than to be in carolina
but for now it does as well to live in firth or motherwell

intolerance is ignorance and ignorance is no defence
should i be blithe to tricky joy or, knowing it, be
discontent?

potential is the road-map, the packed lunch is ambition
opportunity the vehicle or use your feet for locomotion

then there's the pride of self denial versus the smugness of
achievement
forget the past and ego, you might wonder where the pain
went

time is thre currency we exchange for memories
never let it be a bore that you want more to live for



 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 13:49 [#02156638]
Points: 21444 Status: Lurker



Like genes, memes, organisms, and hardware, states have
evolved. Their institutions have spread (with variations)
through growth, fission, imitation, and conquest. States at
war fight like beasts, but using citizens as their bones,
brains, and muscle. The coming breakthroughs will confront
states with new pressures and opportunities, encouraging
sharp changes in how states behave. This naturally gives
cause for concern. States have, historically, excelled at
slaughter and oppression.

In a sense, a state is simply the sum of the people making
up its organizational apparatus: their actions add up to
make its actions. But the same might be said of a dog and
its cells, though a dog is clearly more than just a clump of
cells. Both dogs and states are evolved systems, with
structures that affect how their parts behave. For thousands
of years, dogs have evolved largely to please people,
because they have survived and reproduced at human whim. For
thousands of years, states have evolved under other
selective pressures. Individuals have far more power over
their dogs than they do over "their" states. Though states,
too, can benefit from pleasing people, their very existence
has depended on their capability for using people, whether
as leaders, police, or soldiers.

It may seem paradoxical to say that people have limited
power over states: After all, aren't people behind a state's
every action? But in democracies, heads of state bemoan
their lack of power, representatives bow to interest groups,
bureaucrats are bound by rules, and voters, allegedly in
charge, curse the whole mess. The state acts and people
affect it, yet no one can claim to control it. In
totalitarian states, the apparatus of power has a tradition,
structure, and inner logic that leaves no one free, neither
the rulers nor the ruled. Even kings had to act in ways
limited by the traditions of monarchy and the practicalities
of power, if they were to remain kings. States are not
human, though they are made of humans.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 13:50 [#02156639]
Points: 21444 Status: Lurker



Despite this, history shows that change is possible, even
change for the better. But changes always move from one
semi-autonomous, inhuman system to another - equally inhuman
but perhaps more humane. In our hope for improvements, we
must not confuse states that wear a human face with states
that have humane institutions.

Describing states as quasi-organisms captures only one
aspect of a complex reality, yet it suggests how they may
evolve in response to the coming breakthroughs. The growth
of government power, most spectacular in totalitarian
countries, suggests one direction.

States could become more like organisms by dominating their
parts more completely. Using replicating assemblers, states
could fill the human environment with miniature surveillance
devices. Using an abundance of speech-understanding AI
systems, they could listen to everyone without employing
half the population as listeners. Using nanotechnology like
that proposed for cell repair machines, they could cheaply
tranquilize, lobotomize, or otherwise modify entire
populations. This would simply extend an all too familiar
pattern. The world already holds governments that spy,
torture, and drug; advanced technology will merely extend
the possibilities.

But with advanced technology, states need not control people
- they could instead simply discard people. Most people in
most states, after all, function either as workers, larval
workers, or worker-rearers, and most of these workers make,
move, or grow things. A state with replicating assemblers
would not need such work. What is more, advanced AI systems
could replace engineers, scientists, administrators, and
even leaders. The combination of nanotechnology and advanced
AI will make possible intelligent, effective robots; with
such robots, a state could prosper while discarding anyone,
or even (in principle) everyone.


 

offline SlipDrinkMats from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-12-21 13:56 [#02156640]
Points: 1744 Status: Regular



I would like to think your optimism is more than just a bad
guess.



 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 14:09 [#02156644]
Points: 21444 Status: Lurker | Followup to SlipDrinkMats: #02156640



Hmm, you recently changed your avatar.. which is done in the
'edit your account area.. while you're fiddling with account
related stuff I wonder if you created any new accounts
recently.


 

offline SlipDrinkMats from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-12-21 14:24 [#02156651]
Points: 1744 Status: Regular | Followup to w M w: #02156644



No I didn't, but what I can tell you is, I recently went to
the toilet.


 

offline SlipDrinkMats from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-12-21 14:25 [#02156652]
Points: 1744 Status: Regular



I only this second worked out that Drummond may have been a
reference to Bill Drummond. Fancy that?


 

offline yoyoyo from cornwall on 2007-12-21 15:14 [#02156710]
Points: 1543 Status: Lurker



HEY HEY HEY HORSIE WHATEVER YOU SAID I LIKE YOU.SEEN YOUR
BEEING SAD FROM YOUR LAST POSTS.HAVE PATIENCE AND THERE
MIGHT BE A BETTER TIME A HEAD.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 18:18 [#02156766]
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that's beautiful

lol@dan


 

offline yoyoyo from cornwall on 2007-12-21 18:25 [#02156769]
Points: 1543 Status: Lurker | Followup to earthleakage: #02156766



YEAH HATE TO SEE YOU SAD SOMEHOW
I HOPE YOU CHEER UP DUDE :)


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 18:41 [#02156773]
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doubt it but it was an honourable jesture wot u done ty :)


 

offline yoyoyo from cornwall on 2007-12-21 18:49 [#02156775]
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yes hope is all we have isent it?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 18:51 [#02156777]
Points: 21444 Status: Lurker | Followup to earthleakage: #02156773



Try making your avatar rapidly switch directions like
horsefactory's. That might cheer you up.


 

offline yoyoyo from cornwall on 2007-12-21 18:52 [#02156780]
Points: 1543 Status: Lurker | Followup to w M w: #02156777



hahaha you was funny once this time


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 19:01 [#02156787]
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it requires knowledge i do not obtain in my memory bank


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-12-21 19:14 [#02156798]
Points: 22557 Status: Lurker



i'm sorry


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 21:43 [#02156824]
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thanx/nigel/dan/richard/tom


 


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