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open your mouth and shut your eyes and you'll be great at
catching flies
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 11:21 [#02156565]
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people think that being born means the world owes them something
life's so big, we are small, so we always look like nothing
compatriots fulfil and halve the pain which will always be there
life is guilt and pain and grief but this is why we can care
build euphoric synagogues to weather storms of sadness i would like to think my optimism is more than just a bad guess
nothing could be finer than to be in carolina but for now it does as well to live in firth or motherwell
intolerance is ignorance and ignorance is no defence should i be blithe to tricky joy or, knowing it, be discontent?
potential is the road-map, the packed lunch is ambition opportunity the vehicle or use your feet for locomotion
then there's the pride of self denial versus the smugness of achievement
forget the past and ego, you might wonder where the pain went
time is thre currency we exchange for memories never let it be a bore that you want more to live for
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 13:49 [#02156638]
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Like genes, memes, organisms, and hardware, states have evolved. Their institutions have spread (with variations) through growth, fission, imitation, and conquest. States at war fight like beasts, but using citizens as their bones, brains, and muscle. The coming breakthroughs will confront states with new pressures and opportunities, encouraging sharp changes in how states behave. This naturally gives cause for concern. States have, historically, excelled at slaughter and oppression.
In a sense, a state is simply the sum of the people making up its organizational apparatus: their actions add up to make its actions. But the same might be said of a dog and its cells, though a dog is clearly more than just a clump of cells. Both dogs and states are evolved systems, with structures that affect how their parts behave. For thousands of years, dogs have evolved largely to please people, because they have survived and reproduced at human whim. For thousands of years, states have evolved under other selective pressures. Individuals have far more power over their dogs than they do over "their" states. Though states, too, can benefit from pleasing people, their very existence has depended on their capability for using people, whether as leaders, police, or soldiers.
It may seem paradoxical to say that people have limited power over states: After all, aren't people behind a state's every action? But in democracies, heads of state bemoan their lack of power, representatives bow to interest groups, bureaucrats are bound by rules, and voters, allegedly in charge, curse the whole mess. The state acts and people affect it, yet no one can claim to control it. In totalitarian states, the apparatus of power has a tradition, structure, and inner logic that leaves no one free, neither the rulers nor the ruled. Even kings had to act in ways limited by the traditions of monarchy and the practicalities of power, if they were to remain kings. States are not human, though they are made of humans.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 13:50 [#02156639]
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Despite this, history shows that change is possible, even change for the better. But changes always move from one semi-autonomous, inhuman system to another - equally inhuman but perhaps more humane. In our hope for improvements, we must not confuse states that wear a human face with states that have humane institutions.
Describing states as quasi-organisms captures only one aspect of a complex reality, yet it suggests how they may evolve in response to the coming breakthroughs. The growth of government power, most spectacular in totalitarian countries, suggests one direction.
States could become more like organisms by dominating their parts more completely. Using replicating assemblers, states could fill the human environment with miniature surveillance devices. Using an abundance of speech-understanding AI systems, they could listen to everyone without employing half the population as listeners. Using nanotechnology like that proposed for cell repair machines, they could cheaply tranquilize, lobotomize, or otherwise modify entire populations. This would simply extend an all too familiar pattern. The world already holds governments that spy, torture, and drug; advanced technology will merely extend the possibilities.
But with advanced technology, states need not control people - they could instead simply discard people. Most people in most states, after all, function either as workers, larval workers, or worker-rearers, and most of these workers make, move, or grow things. A state with replicating assemblers would not need such work. What is more, advanced AI systems could replace engineers, scientists, administrators, and even leaders. The combination of nanotechnology and advanced AI will make possible intelligent, effective robots; with such robots, a state could prosper while discarding anyone, or even (in principle) everyone.
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-12-21 13:56 [#02156640]
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I would like to think your optimism is more than just a bad guess.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 14:09 [#02156644]
Points: 21444 Status: Lurker | Followup to SlipDrinkMats: #02156640
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Hmm, you recently changed your avatar.. which is done in the 'edit your account area.. while you're fiddling with account related stuff I wonder if you created any new accounts recently.
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-12-21 14:24 [#02156651]
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No I didn't, but what I can tell you is, I recently went to the toilet.
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-12-21 14:25 [#02156652]
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I only this second worked out that Drummond may have been a reference to Bill Drummond. Fancy that?
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2007-12-21 15:14 [#02156710]
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HEY HEY HEY HORSIE WHATEVER YOU SAID I LIKE YOU.SEEN YOUR BEEING SAD FROM YOUR LAST POSTS.HAVE PATIENCE AND THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER TIME A HEAD.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 18:18 [#02156766]
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that's beautiful
lol@dan
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2007-12-21 18:25 [#02156769]
Points: 1543 Status: Lurker | Followup to earthleakage: #02156766
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YEAH HATE TO SEE YOU SAD SOMEHOW I HOPE YOU CHEER UP DUDE :)
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 18:41 [#02156773]
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doubt it but it was an honourable jesture wot u done ty :)
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2007-12-21 18:49 [#02156775]
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yes hope is all we have isent it?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-21 18:51 [#02156777]
Points: 21444 Status: Lurker | Followup to earthleakage: #02156773
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Try making your avatar rapidly switch directions like horsefactory's. That might cheer you up.
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yoyoyo
from cornwall on 2007-12-21 18:52 [#02156780]
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hahaha you was funny once this time
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 19:01 [#02156787]
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it requires knowledge i do not obtain in my memory bank
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-12-21 19:14 [#02156798]
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i'm sorry
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2007-12-21 21:43 [#02156824]
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thanx/nigel/dan/richard/tom
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