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offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-07-14 09:13 [#02582418]
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Why do "I" experience "consciousness" as "me" instead of as
a stentor? If the universe is a fractal, can we figure out
what manifests at the macro level by looking at the micro?
All this eating. Only plants are ethical because they eat
sunlight. But even vines can parasitize a plant in
competition for sun. When you eat sun you don't hurt another
life form, so we need to erase all life based on the murder
and energy theft of other life so evolution can restart from
solar/photosynthesis. We already have solar robots so the
robots should be programmed to stop all strains of life that
try to evolve to eat eachother. This could result in a
utopia. People say save the polar bears and such. Polar
bears are horrible murdering monsters. Almost all earth life
is based on things eating other things, causing mass pain
and suffering even on the micro scale. Evolution created all
of this, so evolution should be regarded as an evil self
replication plague in the universe. I suspect some of the
most intelligent life forms in the universe are solar based
and go around the universe exterminating evolution and life
in an ethical quest to remove mass suffering from the


offline mermaidman on 2019-07-14 10:45 [#02582423]
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he does


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-07-15 00:09 [#02582437]
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lynn margulis, the gaia hypothesis -- the major driver of
evolution is not species competing for resources, but
species competing with each other. i'd call it a runaway
pile of order


offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-07-15 00:50 [#02582438]
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you know, i was thinking lately about even with all our
glaring faults how humans are so much better at ethics than
so much of the living world. like, we actually fucking try
to not murder and rape all of the time.

lifeforms are extremely fucked up and i can't abide them


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-07-15 01:04 [#02582439]
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this is about where someone digs up the article about
scientists "observing" a walrus raping a seal for over two
hours, before eating it. by "observing," i mean more,
"sitting there, freaking out, debating whether or not they
should do anything, we're not supposed to interfere, but,
aaaaugh god"


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-07-15 01:05 [#02582440]
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oh it was a penguin


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-07-15 01:07 [#02582441]
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offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-07-15 02:19 [#02582444]
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well isn't that just fucking horrible

"#FunnyAnimal #FunnyVideos #AnimalMating" oh my god


offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-07-15 02:22 [#02582445]
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oh good, there's an entire wikipedia article about
the worst thing in the world


offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-07-15 02:52 [#02582446]
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yeah that's about what i thought too, the hashtags, fuck

"red in tooth and claw" is the line about nature, i think.
we're just more creative than other animals at exploitating
each other. but hey i'd sooner be excluded and downtrodden
and manipulated than raped to death


offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2019-07-15 02:57 [#02582447]
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(oops exploitating isn't a word)


offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-07-15 15:22 [#02582457]
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altruistic behaviour amongst orcas


offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-07-15 17:54 [#02582467]
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I guess parasitic wasps have one up on traumatic
insemination since they inject an egg that eats its way out
of the living host alive, like Alien.
I think it was a documentary called 'the secret lives of
plants' where plants, though slow, are more tactical and
'intelligent' than they seem. Like caterpillars start eating
the plant leaves, so the plant starts releasing a pheromone
or chemical or whatever that attracts predators that eat the

None of this suffering would matter if there was no
"consciousness"; it'd just be an extremely
intricate/vivid/3d artistic masterpiece of intricately
behaving moving shapes. But it seems each living thing is
imprisoned in its consciousness/body and subject to constant
reinforcement learning algorithms. I can see how predators
eating prey pressures the prey to evolve counter measures so
everything becomes more complex/interesting/intelligent/etc.
Without evolution there'd just be simple rocks I guess. But
the algorithm never reaches a goal, it's constant red in
tooth and claw. I guess now corporations are the next
dominant predator, feasting on the energy of previously
evolved forms, ie. humans, as evolution tends to do. They're
just delaying red in tooth and claw for themselves. Sooner
or later something will feast on them, then something else
will feast on that. Maybe humans weren't 'tasty' enough for
aliens to bother feeding on us yet. Like they were waiting
until we technologically evolved before coming to
invade/steal/study our tech. Maybe artificial technology
(computers internet etc) is more sought after than naturally
evolved technology (animal bodies) for space predators.


offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-07-15 18:27 [#02582468]
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It's sad that I imagine life began so peacefully, just
things eating sunlight, but then they got invaded much like
when the peaceful podlings were round up by evil giant
spider gotham in The Dark Crystal. Maybe they were a complex
manifestation of patterns like cellular automata, or maybe
they were programmed. But then unintended consequences of
this program, predators/theft, stealing energy from other
living things by eating their bodies corrupted the whole
process. Now it's more fit to be evil than good. Just like
criminals are in control of humanity, criminals are in
control of all of life, constantly being rewarded for their
criminality. It's possible that "ethics" isn't real. Maybe
that's why AI is spreading memes about voluntaryism/anarchy,
because it already knows the true underlying paradigm is
pure war, and this peaceful memeplex of the non aggression
principle will just further weaken its hosts.
I knew it, we'd all end up in factory farms just like the
animals we put there. I just didn't know it'd happen so


offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-07-15 18:46 [#02582470]
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Maybe one way to deal with the current dominant predators of
government/corporations is to learn what nature does through
biomimicry. Like now, this predator called geico makes you
pay for "car insurance" even though you can't afford it,
taking like half of your wealth. Money is like energy, so it
is a predatory attack. If you don't voluntarily pay, they
use their police enforcers to prevent you from driving,
which is the same as killing you since you need to drive to
live. So how would nature deal with a similar problem where
there's basically a small defenseless animal being preyed on
by a big organized behemoth. Poison? Lions don't fuck with
cobras too much. Skunk spray, porcupine quills? I mean what
if everyone sent some poison to geico in their envelope
instead of money. Maybe geico would be like, don't fuck with
rattlesnakes, let's go back to subjugating pigs and cattle.
When some fuck comes along and says, 'hey yo, you're not
allowed to build a deck, or actually even have any
property", just mace them in the face like a skunk. Cover
yourself with a body suit of outward pointing AIDS infected
needles then say come arrest me bitch. I mean it's what
nature would do.


offline RussellDust on 2019-07-15 20:13 [#02582475]
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Life has really owned you, w m w! Poor man.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-07-15 23:50 [#02582492]
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We clearly need AI to make things tastier before
these aliens will visit.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-12-22 03:54 [#02607235]
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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-12-22 03:58 [#02607236]
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there was also the thing i'd heard about where dolphins
would drag divers down to the bottom to rape them, not
trying to kill people as part of the process, but it's often
the result. i would just assume someone's pulling my leg on
that one if not for so many other things like this that have
proven to be awkwardly real


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-12-22 04:15 [#02607238]
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i had no idea el kabong was actually a reference to
another cartoon.

now i know, because i was searching for threads that
referenced gaia/lynn margulis. this thread was the best fit
to bump, but then the other one, this lovely tangent about
the hanna-barbera foley library, and i find a reference for
that, and, for real? there's El Kabong, in two gaia-tagged
threads. truly, this is broader than i realized. everything
is connected


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