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Salma, nice to see you after all thattime. well, as for J-Lo, my girlfriend has the very same opinion on her and her ass and says that she infinitely prefers Selma Hayek. But, this is about music. "Jenny from the block" is just the ultimate in catchiness to me and has no need to have anything else aside from that breakbeat, bassline, smaple stabs and that sexy flute in there. It's funky with a big F. |
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it has nothing to do with being mindless..people have always followed trends and fashions in many things.. again..generalisation |
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your girlfriend and me should meet..same J-Lo opinion, she's a fan of Salma and I AM Salma...it sounds like fate is up to something): yes J-Lo's not from the block song is catchy..like its supposed to be... i can listen to it without slashing my wrists (unlike with ska8er boi) but still personally catchiness is not a category i pick my music with |
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Haha, and you're egyptian and she seems to like dark-skinned, middle-east type of people. But I think you're too young for her, she's 34. Maybe if your sexual skills are above average... Well, the fact that J-Lo's music is fed to us through the mechanism of corporate machine (as well as Avril's) accounts for us being naturaly hostile towards it. However, was "Jenny from the block" made by an underground band and if it had "socially aware" lyrics, everybody would be praisisng it in unison. Avril Lavigne too: this is a pure example of "let's sell dumb teenegers some more of their wet-dreams" strategy at work, but if that song was actually made by a real, underground Maximumrocknroll-approved band, like Boris the sprinkler for instance, everybody would like it. |
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And you are excluded from these trends? |
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don't you worry about that, my sexual skills are very advanced for my age..i maybe 17 but i have the sexual skills of a 170 year old... a 170 year old who is very young and able for his age offcourse....and who is not dead, diseased or impotent no actually if an underground band who is "socially aware" made THAT song...i mean that same song with the same lyrics and music i'd equally dislike it ... i'd think its just as pointless and cheesy (no offence) |
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Wow, all this talk about your sexual skills has given me a hardon, have you ever considered the advantages of homoerotic relationship? And, OK, you might hate "Sk8er boi" in any instance, but I guarantee you there would be many people who hate it now, who wouldn't. And with a slightly different lyrics, noone would hate it. We must realise that lyrics and music have no real relationship. Since 19th century romanticism, it has become widely accepted to associate certain "moods" in mysic with certain types of lyrics, but this is all completely artificial. The fact that you understand the lyrics to "Sk8er boi" vastly influences your opinion on that song. If you couldn't understand the english, or if the lyrics were in norwegian or chinese, you'd be able to hear just a pure, sweet pop song it is. Cheesy and all, but sweet all the same. |
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the music ones yes...i don't like current top 40 music... lots of people don't...but obviously also lots of people do do you deny the existance of trends and fashions in popular music? |
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yes i did consider the advantages of a homoerotic relationship in which no one gets pregnent and everyone wants to hump at all times... but some people have been telling me it could be quite a painful experience...can you shed light on that? that's a nice way of looking at it, i agree that in some music the lyrics are not what matters... BUT if these top 40 pop tunes were all about the music then they also fail badly imho because most of the girl and boy band songs amnd other top 40 songs just have the most simple catchy production and cheesy lyrics over it..if the cheesy lyrics don't matter then we're left with the cheesy music.. some pop music has good production, for example missy elliot, but it's still just a catchy beat and melody..just like the lyrics,catchy, not really what i'm looking for..i'd rather listen to Autechre and by the way because i understand English i get suicidal when i listen to Avril you're right, if I didn't I won't get those extreme urges to kill myself |
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No, no, gay relationships are all fun and no pain whatsoever, I can asure you. Anyway, let's not get too deep into discussing personal tastes. My whole point when entering this thread was to prove that genres as such are just artificial categories and that no music should be dismissed on the grounds of belonging to any of the genres. I decided to use J-lo and Miss E and Avril Lavigne and Ricky Martin as examples as they are blatant pop-stars and most of their music is really worthelss in any way imaginable, so some of their songs that are actually good and succeed in surpassing the cheesiness of the lyrics/ production/ music are just strokes of luck. I could have, of course chosen less easy targets such as the Beatles, Beach Boys, The Smiths, Joy Division, or maybe Royyksoup, Boards of Canada and Mum. I am traying to prove that music surpases it's "narrative" content that we impose on it by burdening it with lyrics or with affiliating it with whatever genre. This is why, for most of the time, we are unable to hear the music itself. |
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Ah, and another thing that I forgot: several people here have said that world music as a genre sucks and this is a classic example of what I am talking about. Had they said "World music sucks BECAUSE it's a non-existant genre made up by western music corporations in order to pidgeonhole incredibly vast spectrum of utterly different folk traditions, package them and sell them to western customers who will buy anything marketed as "exotic" because it gives them sense of enrichening their own cultural environment and, in truth they are just being sold ear-candy", then I might have agreed. but, actually, these people have no idea what they are talking about, and saying that "world" or "folk" music are "bad genres" is an example of active ignorance. |
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if you promise its all fun and no pain then maybe we should arrange a special rendez-vous real soon i agree with you about genres, it's just a convenient way of recognisting and labeling different kinds of music...and there's many,,,,and i like a huge variety, for example the other day i bought an extremly cheap mozart box set..my first and its not bad at all.....and i recently downloaded some Aretha Franklin songs and they're alright too...i like some rock aswell..and offcourse electronic..and am open to trying new music beatles etc.. are not the same as Avril and J-Lo...one notable difference is that they write their own music ..which makes them artists aswell as performers...for me Brittany Spears and J-Lo are not artists but are only performers...the input they have in what they present is not that substantial... any music that's not classical is defined by some people as "popular" like on Amazon for example where music is listed as either popular or classical...but i recognize a difference between manufactured pop bands such as nsync and ska8er boi type people and Beatles (who i'm not really into anyway) i agree though..there is no such thing as "worst" and best genres..even within genres there is no best and worst albums, artists, styles etc.. it's all too subjective.. now about that rendez-vous..... |
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the beatles were pop! |
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No, but people are not slaves to it. Besides, is IDM not simply another trend? We are still sheep, we just belong to a different flock and follow a different shepherd. |
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this also caught my attention and i agree completely...many countries have their own style of folk music which could strech back centuries..and i'm actually into some folk music and not just Egyptian... most recently i borrowed from the library a cd by philip glass and an indian composer called ravi something ..it was good anyway i agree statements like "i don't like world music" are a bit unthoughtful..world music if defined as non-western music is such a vast spectrum... thats like saying i hate any music thats not western.. i mean those people might hate a cd they heard that's advertised as so-called "world music" but that's not all the music the rest of the world makes.. |
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IDM could be a trend...but certainly not a widespread one...not so much that numerous bands and "artists" are being manufactured to make and sell it.. and i didn't say people were slaves to it, i even said many people don't follow the trends but many do..and i admited it was a generalisation.. also the market for this "trendy music" is huge... |
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But IDM is just another market surely. |
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actually dingle, i think the whole rock thing is a popular culture phenomenon |
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Well, if you're into some hot gay sex, just send me a plane ticket to nu-zeland and i'll be there to teach you everything you need to know about masculine love. Yes, this is really a good point: J-Lo and Miss E. and Ricky Martin are performing other's people's compositions and are therefore just "performers", not authors. (Avril claims that she writes her own music, tho). But, much as this looks like a bad thing, in fact, it is squarely within pop and not just pop music tradititon: Aretha Franklin in the first place is a performer of other people's music. Not to mention numerous jazz artists that we respect and love, whose whole careers were just interpretations of other people's music. But anyway, I was not trying to defend J-Lo as a phenomenon, I was merely stating that "Jenny from the block" kicks ass and is perfect as a pop song. |
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yes it is .. its all about the scale...you must understand what i mean.... the whole top 40 pop thing is on such a larger scale than the IDM market..to the point where artists are manufactured simply to sell...they don't even write the music the labels just pick some performers they think are suitable and give them lyrics to sing... |
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my job in the old people's home doesn't pay enough so i can bring you here...i guess i might have to settle for a lower quality new zealand homoerotic encounter which is vastly inferior to the serbian one i was sooo looking forward to.. i know Aretha is a performer...i like both her voice and the actual music...the artists who wrote the songs i downloaded wrote something that i ended up enjoying.. but as i said before most top 40 music is crap imho.. i see nothing wrong just being a performer offcourse.. if J-Lo didn't write what she sung but it was good music i may like it..its all about the music being more than mere catchiness...for me jenny from the block is a good pop song you're right, it achieved what pop songs aim to achieve and will thus make millions for jenney and whoever wrote "her" song |
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Well, finally, we seem to have reached the agreement. On pop music, that is. As for serbian-egyptian homosexual sexclash, I am sad to hear that it will not happen, but fear not, you're still young and there's still hope. Hey, nice to hear you're helping old people out. I also work ona project that deals with helping old people out. Of course, my job is a lot easier as it involves just punching the keyboard, not actually dealing with old people... |
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TRANCE r&b hardhouse crap pop TRANCE |
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Shit after all my attempts to drown this thread. |
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i live for the hope of a profoundly masculine serbian sexual experience...it's my purpose of life from now on.. i've been working there for a few months now..i think it's quite sad because so many of them are in a real bad condition... the fact that "if i'm lucky" and live as long as they did i'll be in the same condition they're in scares me a little too.. i also got one of my mates a job there ..but we don't work on the same days.. the nurses are a bit disfunctional too.. i've seen numerous changes in staff since i've started there..people got fired, quit or just stopped comming... with no mates and weird nurses i have only the old people to talk to..which is not that bad although i have to repeat myself quite alot |
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neetta has a point though.....trance does truly suck monkey penis): |
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Huh, yes, I have started thinking about those things too, because my job gets me in touch with old people (poor and ill, at that) from time to time. Well, as The Who said: "I hope I die before I get old". As for trance, most of it I really don't care for, but there's probably some of it worth a listen out there. I am sure of that. |
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i still want to die old...i'm greedy and want to live aslong as i can and consume as much of the earth's resources as i can... and why did i suddenly turn from a lurker to an addict in two days...there's something wrong with phobias labeling system... |
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Actually, less than 10 posts a day makes you a lurker, everything over it makes you an addict. |
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i don't think 10 posts constitutes an addiction to this mb... |
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Well, Phobiazero obviously does. |
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country, disney christmas songs, gabba, anything that sounds like 'scooter', and light funk/pop like toploader. |
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1. drill n bass ( it is the name that bothers me, sounds so stupid ) 2. trance 3. gore metal 4. speed metal |
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genre shmenre old school country is way cooler than anything electro ever made hank williams is aphex twin kids and their noise (mind you im 21) |
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Certainly trance. That shit should be banned. Or at least restricted from where I hear it. My music teacher keeps mentioning it to sound trendy, she needs to be corrected quickly. |
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Polka i forgot god damned polka ... !!! |
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The hell with it, negativity is the language of haters! |
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The hell with it what a negative comment. don't you love irony? |
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On the occasion yeah, it's all good.... |
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P.S. Fuck you. There was no irony in that statement. |
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yeah there was. being hateful and saying it's wrong to be hateful... that's irony. |
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:D haha! I can't believe how serious this got, and I thought I had no sense of humor when it came to these discussions ;) I suppose the point was to name genres that a) you felt were lacking in artistic integrity and/or quality, and b)ones you just hate taste-wise.. I figured much of the time they'd coincide. And don't give me this 'no genres, only artists thing'. On the whole artists place themselves in genres whether they do it knowingly or not .. just my opinion .. seriously folks, there may be 'good' in all genres somewhere, whatever you define 'good' as, but classifying a genre as 'bad' on this particular list is simply saying that in general, everything that falls into this category I either don't like or think sucks objectively (or both). so, yeah, I like a rap song here and there, but overall I think it's a dumb genre. As for world music, I hate it, yeah , personal opinion. the stuff that's marketed as world music, I hate and think is just bad becuase of it's fabrication.. ooh I'm tired. You guys did have interesting points though. I just wanted to clarify :) |
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1. hamburger 2. hamburger 3. hamburger 4. hamburger 5. hamburger |
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