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The fact is, that in this age of the computer and global communication and awareness, we - the informed masses - NEED to see evidence of wrong doing by a state (we see enough of it when it is our own governments that are fucking up), and evidence that our intervention will be beneficial to the region we are attempting to 'help'. BEFORE we can possibly agree to invade another country. I think the majority of people would welcome the chance to look over the 'evidence' that GWB and TB claim to have.... and IF it is as compelling as is claimed I would be willing to support action against Iraq (or any state that was threatening the freedom of others). But that is a big IF. Until that time comes (and I'm sure it won't) I will never condone the use of force anywhere. |
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+How can you compare an ancient nation like France and its centuries of politcal change, cultural creation and historic movement to the little insignificant fate of a distant land called New Zealand?+ Cultural Superiority now..hunh..you are exhibiting all the alarming hallmarks of a sterotypical caricature Frenchmen that I do know and hope dont exist... and btw your French culture is Naive and Immature compared to the culture that you are so willing to trample..in IRAQ..get real..Babylonians ring a bell???? |
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No i saw lord of the rings and loved it! I'm sure NZ has much to offer but lets not go comparing it with the dominant nations... |
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Flea: do you know of this site? http://www.zmag.org/ |
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yeah right, they're going to start bombing us just like that |
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LOL! It may not be superior but it certainly is VAST! I'm talking about size here boyo, and impact: France has had a greater impact (bad or good) upon the evolution of humanity than NZ has! When the words "Nazi" and "Fascist" appear in a debate everything crashes, why? Because these terms reduce the phenomenae in question to erronous stereotypes and mislead people into making comparisons. You really are a joke flea! As if modern Iraq has anything to do with Babylon or even value its ancient history (im talking about the regime here not the population). And where do you get the idea that i hate iraq from? A think you are slightly confused... |
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Well to ask the question, 'will Iraq nuke us all' leads us to believe that you think they could or would want to. The evidence clearly contradicts such a view. |
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"you are exhibiting all the alarming hallmarks of a sterotypical caricature frenchmen that I do know" That's so sad. and let's not start comparing cultures please it's entirely pointless. |
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The NZ culture has the Maori and Myriads of surrounding Polynisian cultures to offer...(yes all those little Islands that are no more than a Nuclear testing/Dumping Ground to you)...the beauty, subtelty and the magificance of those cultures far surpasses anything your Eurocentric heritage has to offer...you can keep your Lourves..and all of the Snotty Hoity Toity bollocks..as long as I can go and Enjoy the Pasifika Cultural Festival annually.....It's nothing short of absolute and pure magic..the music..the art..the food....you can keep all of yours.. and btw..Our Wines regularly kicks the arses of yours all over the Europe and the world... |
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don't know about the wines... hehe |
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"and btw..Our Wines regularly kicks the arses of yours all over the Europe and the world..." Lol man you are too sad for words ! |
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I do belive that saddam would react to a full scale invasion by using nuclear weapons. In peace time he is not a threat. However the questions remains: does he have nukes? Probably not... |
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Well then the question should be about the US/UK attack on Iraq; their motives, the repurcussions and what we can do to stop it. |
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"you are exhibiting all the alarming hallmarks of a sterotypical caricature frenchmen that I do know" LOL!! I was about to post something similar when i saw his arogant post but flea did a good job. |
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This is all so cool to read. A friend of mine said "I'd rather french kiss le pen then vote for him" heheh ^^ |
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STOP THIS NOW ! It's going nowhere. Flea has decided that he can prove his point by attacking people and diverting the debate. And Mr.Kurtz is defending his nation as anyone would. This can go nowhere. Flea stop being an ass and switch your PC off and enjoy the incredible NZ scenery... |
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I think i have to agree with Tony here, this is too sad for words. What you describe is probably very nice... I could come up with thousands of similar jewels of French culture but this would just lead us into moronic listing. I wish to visit NZ one day to appreciate all this, but i do think you should revise you history on the impact/influence of the French civilisation on the world in order to escape the disdainful stereotyped view you have of this country. |
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+You really are a joke flea! As if modern Iraq has anything to do with Babylon or even value its ancient history (im talking about the regime here not the population). And where do you get the idea that i hate iraq from? A think you are slightly confused...+ You Idiot..before the wars..the Baylonianruins and sites were lovingly kept and were a huge tourist attraction...Iraq was full of scholars who specialized in the baylonian arts, literature, music, etc....you might deem any muslim state barbaric..but Iraq was actually a secular state with a higher rate of Education (98%) then most of the developed countries.. I know little of the Babylonian heritage is left now thanks to the carpet bombings and such....but i am hoping some/most of the scholars still surivived to pass thewir wisdom on... |
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Good for you. What a constructive post. Bravo. |
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It's all down to having the last say isn't it ? Someone shut this thread down ! |
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Let's just get back on topic: Iraq is a regional threat because western countries armed it dirung the '80s. What does that teach us? |
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You clearly haven't got my point: the ancient babylonian culture/religion has no influence whatsoever on the REGIME of saddam hussain who just happens to be governing the country. You are right about education... Now you wish only to attack me on my person and not on my views. |
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let them be... hehe its fun :) |
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That they just want a tyrant they can tame, one who'll do as THEY say. |
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I know you know that Jonesy, I want others to realise that. |
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well I am not a western and all the western culture means to me is imperialism and colonialism..I am indebted to nothing you are offering here..even though i try and enjoy as much of the culture you have to offer..but sadly its always tinged with sadness..with tales of exploitation of indigenous nations are always around the corner....The literature full of heroic triumphs over the savages..lovingly rendered depictions of the same etc...The French arts and liteature are so full of your colonial exploits that I keep having to stop and pass on the "maginficance" of it all.. |
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thats all new to me... |
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Has anyone seen, or heard any of the evidence that PROVES that Saddam has and is willing to use nuclear weapons? |
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Hmm, that's a bit reductive. |
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mr.bush has all the evidence what are you thinking? |
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why don't you just lay off the man ? We are all equals ! |
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Great, but i don't know what the hell you are doing on an aphextwin (UK) board using a pc (UK, Alan Turing who was influenced by Blaise Pascal (FR)) and probably a browser (US) surfing the internet (US). All this seems very western to me! And maybe modern NZ isn't a nation influenced by western culture!? You are members of the Un aren't you? You're capital is Wellington (very unwestern name)!? Blah Blah Blah, it all goes to say that it is hard to find a place in the world untouched by western culture... |
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equals? |
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sorry, my mistake... |
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Hehe He is just hiding it to keep it warm. |
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And btw..what I am mentioning has everything to do with SADDAM's regime..here are some of the statistics..about the nation under his "tyranical" rule.. 92% had safe water 93% had free health care 98% Adult literacy |
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i dont think its all that brilliant but anyway it can't be bad, if so many ppl support saddam |
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Maybe you don't subsribe to the idea of human rights, concept created by the French during the 18th century enlightenment...? Well you can't have read much French litt if all you get is tales of exploitation and sadness?! How does Bertrand fit in to this or Rousseau, or Pascal, or Descartes...? |
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Is it possible that the only reason the US are trying to start a war is because they 'elected' a president that is incapable of doing his job, and the easiest way to make him look good to his people is to fight a war that he is guaranteed to win (militarily speaking)? |
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Hmm he also supports capital punishment, open use of torture, censorship and invading neighbouring countries... |
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i don't know if that would make him look good not to americans on this site anyway |
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you stole all of youe science from us mate..while the west was going through the dark ages..and plagues...and suffocating Christian mores...we had hospitals, laboaratories, libraries, universities, math, optics, surgery.....all you see today..is the legacy of what little you manage to steal from us..the rest was burnt down by the Crusading heros..Imagine where the world will be now..if all of that wasnt lost.... Science product of the west..feh..dont make me laugh...your painters would have been painting the umpteenth Mary and Jesus on the cross..had your ahem..Explorer not brought back..the stories from the east... |
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Hehe. Well said. |
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Yes a great amount of science came from arab countries. But who is "us" you're in NZ aren't you ? |
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+Hmm he also supports capital punishment, open use of torture, censorship and invading neighbouring countries... + And the the US and the rest of European nations dont?..What do you call Camp XRay..open use of torture..where are the human rights in any part of the west post 9/11 you tell me.. |
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Hmm, this sounds more like the rantings of an eastern gentleman... If you are of arabic blood/culture why not say so? Why hide it? I agree that the early muslim civilisation was WAY in advance of the "west"... But times have changed and one only has to be blessed with common sense to see that now the west is dominant in things GOOD AND BAD. Anyway, why make cultural distinctions by even using the terms "west" and "east"? We are all human and share cultural/scientific knowledge/experience! |
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I am an Afghan... |
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Did/do you support the Taliban way of life? |
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whos hiding it newbie?... |
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"newbie" what's the got to do with anything ? |
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