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Just wondering if Iraq is going to nuke us all (Southern and Western Europe/Israel/Turkey first the the US eventually)... |
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I thought they didn't have that kind of range. |
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Ever heard of portable nuclear devices? |
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Oh yeah d'oh! |
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I'd like to see that. |
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I don't think you would get the occasion to see anything unless you are from New Zealand... |
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Aparently they dont have nuclear weapons,just biological/chemical weapons.........hehe, |
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just! |
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If i had a choice between several hours of choking to death on some chemical agent and going out without knowing it in a big atmic bang... i'd think i would choose the later... |
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Nuke you with what?..With dying baies contaminated with radiation from the depleted Uranium that Allied forces used in the bombs and missiles in the Gulf War?...yeah they are building babies dying from contamination baby launchers as we speak...be very afraid. |
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I'm not from New Zealand as you can see from my profile, and I was referring to the fact that the countries who actually do have weapons of mass destruction and occassionally threat to use it make big fuss about Iraq SUPPOSEDLY but never proven having them. BULLSHIT. |
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ever heard of Muroroa?...your govt is making sure that us New Zealanders would be the first to go up in a mushroom clouds when the time comes.... |
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*Please refer to "Are you afraid of death" topic* :) |
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As I remember,Britain & America have used uranium tipped missiles on iraq,causing cancer etc. for years to come for people in Iraq.But you dont hear much of this. |
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Europe will become America v2 and this is why I fear it. |
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England is already well on it's way... |
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Thats ancient history my friend... anyway you did make a hell of a fuss about that, the tests were underground and had no significant impact on the surrounding environments. You are all ready to make a fuss about testing when conducted by a respectable western power but when the Chinese test in the ATMOSPHERE and the Pakistanis/Indians test IN ORDER TO THREATEN EACH OTHER... you say nothing... May i remind you that my country will not participate in this war against Iraq (unless it is approved by the UN). I think you have more to fear from the damage caused by big polluters such as the US that refuse to ratify or even sign the Kyoto protocol: ever heard or felt El Nino? |
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Even though people in Britain dont want to.Time for an uprising...eh lads :D |
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Get those pitchforks out of your sheds !! |
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Yes, It is. -.- |
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Well, they don't have the weapons, the capacity or the inclination despite US/UK propaganda. Its time people of all countries turned on their own governments and put an end to war. |
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+Thats ancient history my friend... anyway you did make a hell of a fuss about that, the tests were underground and had no significant impact on the surrounding environments.+ Bollocks..and all of the sudden volcanic activites that followed it and the depleted sealife..and greeying coral in the surrounding..just spontaneously up and decided to die did it?..Dont believe what your govt feeds..you..if the tests are so safe..why not do it in your own backyard?? like every other Nuclear nation in the world does?? hunh?? Why bring it all the way down to our coasts..One of our major life line is nature based/eco tourism which your govt's adventures keep making a mockery off.. |
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I wouldn't be too sure, its not unreasonable to imagine saddam pushing the "red button" before his regime collapses after a large US/UK invasion and wiping Israel/Palestine of the face of the earth. |
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What the fuck are you talking about? "like every other Nuclear nation in the world does" What a load of uninformed shit! Where do you think the UK tested its weapons? On the Bikini atoll, just a few thousand miles away from home! Advanced western nations just happen to pick far off lands to test like anyone would! Oh and the atoll just happens to be "our back yard", its is French territory as is Guadeloupe, Martinique, the Reunion, New Caledonia... Oh and don't give me that shit about the tests having significant impact! Compare the effects of underground nuclear testing to the ravages caused by general climate change (the El Nino phenomenon or have you never even heard of that!?) At least my country sends its pres to Johannesburg and has ratified the Kyoto treaty unlike your closest neighbours (Australia) who predicted that their CO2 emissions would rise by 15% in the next decade! Blame the US and the Aussies for the endangering of your precious eco-tourism damn it! |
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You have played too many FPS games, friend. |
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And there you are indulging in the very hypocracy your self..going on about Iraq mythical and phantasmagoric portable nuclear abilities..and starting this thread on one hand..and then simultaneously quickly trying to sweep your own Govt's Nuclear histroy under the carpet.. Bravo... |
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Fight Fight Fight Fight ;) |
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But seriously, calm the fuck down ! |
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I love these topics, even more so after my anti-euro grilling. ^^ |
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"mythical and phantasmagoric portable nuclear abilities" oh so you have concrete proof that Iraq have no such thing do you ?? I doubt it... |
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Not at all hypocritical! I don't think that the POSSIBILITY of possesion of nuclear weapons by a "rogue nation" justifies full scale invasion. We have no proof of the possesion of portable devices, ICBMs or tactical nukes by Iraq anyway. The Israelis are pretty dangerous when you come to think of it since sharon declared that he could envisage using tactical nukes against Iraq if a cruise missile attack was made on his country (like in the first gulf war). Oh and don't go on about France, we are hardly a threat to world peace and the "force de dissuasion" is a purely defensive nuclearforce. |
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LOL, maybe... |
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no why should i blame them when YOU started this thread..have the guts to face upto your own dirty laundry...when an American or an Australian starts a thread as stupid as this one and then goes on to defend/deny their own govts pasts..they will get what's coming to them from me as well..dont you worry about that... And I was talking about India and Pakistan that you hastily you mentioned..at least they have the strange sense of decency to make sure that their testing took place in their own territories..and didnt send it off to their Imperialistically (and I might add..shamefully)acquired territories |
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Mistah Kurtz: so, during the 80s, Iraq was cool enough to sell weapons to and now they are a rogue nation, eh? Much the same as with Talibani, eh? |
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The former UN chief weapons inspector has said that there is NO evidence of 'weapons of mass destruction', hence the lack of evidence presented by the UK/US. Wake up and smell the bullshit! |
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And why trust the UK/US or your own governments over Iraq's? |
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well it's far from ancient histroy mate..your boat in th America's cup is being blatantly sponsore by AREVA...an slap in the face really to send a fleet emblazoned with emblems of a Nuclear Energy Corporation to a Nuclear free country..it was fully intentional..they wanted their name associated with a benign sporting event as a PR excercise to soften the stand of our people on it's insistant and persistant use of our water to transfer Nuclear Waste back and forth from those SAFE sites you are talking about.... Signing Kyoto..what a load of tosh..I am worried about what your Govt and Areva is doing to your own people and the Neighbouring Europen States... COGEMA has risked the health of the oceans by the dirty business of separating plutonium (plutonium reprocessing) from nuclear waste. Plutonium reprocessing results in large quantities of radioactive waste -- the equivalent of 50 barrels a day or an estimated 230 million litres a year -- being discharged into the sea from COGEMA's La Hague facilities near Cherbourg in northern France. Greenpeace collected samples of radioactive contaminated sediment at the end of the COGEMA marine discharge pipe that showed levels of contamination higher than ground zero at the nuclear weapons test site at Chasma Bay in northern Russia. Marine life contained radioactive levels higher than the European Union safety intervention levels. (ACCRO, University of Bremen, September 1997). Reprocessing at la Hague releases radioactive wastes into the atmosphere and marine environment on a daily basis. Due to the release of radioactive gases, levels of contamination from the radioactive gas Krypton-85 (KrR-85) around the la Hague site have been measured by Greenpeace at 90,000 Bq/m3, compared with the average global level of between 1-2 Bq/m3. Using a computer model developed by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency, Greenpeace has shown that COGEMA's aerial discharges contaminate the air throughout all of Western Europe, and within two years move around the |
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What the hell? "Imperialistically (and I might add..shamefully)acquired territories"!!? These territories were indeed acquired during the great colonial epoch but now wish to stay french and benefit from autonomy (especially the TOMS or "over seas territories" as opposed to the DOMS or "overseas regions" that are closer to frnace when i comes to financial and economic policy). The island of mayotte recently held a referendum where the majority of the population wishes to become french! Referendums of this type are held every decade and always turn out to be for autonomy but unbroken TOM status... So there goes your hasty remark... And what about NEW ZEALAND! Ooo no, never part of the British Empire, ooo nothing bad was ever done to the indigenous maori population!! oh and i'm not denying any past, on the contrary, i am assuming it! France has never threatened any other nation with nuclear devastation unlike the US. Nukes are purely the remains of Cold War fears. The tests were made to update military tech in this domain with the introduction of more powerful warheads. But you are still avoiding the main point! Ecological damage is widespread and comes from the refusal of certain industrial nations to accept their responsibility. France has... |
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It's easy to dig up dirt on a nation on the www and then copy-and-paste the articles in question into a forum... |
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Indeed the whole concept of "axis of evil" is grotesque, thats the point i'm making... |
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What's with all your national pride? You just had an election where a Nazi got a worryingly large percentage of the vote. |
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OK, we agree in this then. |
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Oh please please, back to old "nuclear power is baaaaaaaad" myth. It just happens to be one of the cleanest sources of energy on the planet evolving at a very fast pace... Okay there are the occasional devastating melt-downs like Cherenobyl due to human error but the fact remains that in my country CO2 emissions are lower than those of Germany, Italy and the UK thanks to nuclear power... |
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the rest of the planet. Reprocessing by COGEMA at la Hague creates large amounts of long-lived radioactive material. COGEMA and the British reprocessing facility at Sellafield in Cumbria are together responsible for 97 percent of the radioactive releases into the European environment ok..About NZ..well it's a well documented fact that the measures that NZ has gone to protect the interests of the Indigenous Maori..is exemplary among the world..your own shameful record however in the pacific, Vietnam and Africa..is the stuff of nightmeres and you are are probably not even aware of it.... |
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May I point out that we are deveating massively from the original point. |
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I knew this was going to turn up! I'm not a nationalist, i am simply defending France's international reputation that is so easily stained by riotous manifestations of foreign ignorance. Le Pen was a terrible shock during the last elections, i was myself down on the streets of Paris and at place de la Republique with the millions of anti-fn protestors. The rise of popularist national parties is a europe wide phenomenon (just look at Pim in holland) but cannot be reduced to simple arguments such as "the French are racists and nazis". Le Pen's success can only be understood when one has grasped the internal political situation in France: Jospin "the socialist" thought he could do a Tony Blair and win the election without proposing an openly socialist and progressive program. Some of the Le Pen voters were also people simply disillusioned with the political class in general wanting to shock the population into accepting all that is wrong with French politics at the moment: corruption, elitism, loss of the sense of reality... |
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*Oh please please, back to old "nuclear power is baaaaaaaad" myth* SO..what is the point of your thread then..if you are such a suporter of all things nuclear... +scrathes head+ confuses the hell out of me.. and by the way while you are going on about Iraq..there's an alarming growth of fanatical right wing fascists getting closer and closer to power in France dont you think?...are we to trust you vast nuclear power in the hands of those fascists getting into power?(comeon this time was a close call wasnt it..they almost swept through your elections)..the last time fascists got that much power..we had the Nazi's.... so are we not right to fear the developments in your country??? |
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How can you compare an ancient nation like France and its centuries of politcal change, cultural creation and historic movement to the little insignificant fate of a distant land called New Zealand? Its absurd: the fact remains that despite your natural beauty France remains the no1 tourist destination in the world... Maybe because people value (and take more interest) in history (bad or good) and the study of human turmoil more than a pretty landscape! |
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Granted, but you sound rather gushing when talking about your country and you piss all over NZ. |
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About Le Pen read my previous post (oh and don't forget that this is no "european" or "french" phenomenon, ever heard of Pauline Hanson, your neighbour?)... Lets get this straight: 1. I am against invading iraq 2. I am against ignoring environmental degradation 3. I AM FOR THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT USE OF FISSION IN PEACE TIME (nuclear power) 4. I despair at nationalistic tendancies emerging in many countries around the world |
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