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Thanks Brendan ether, you hit the nail right on the head! =) |
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You know sometimes I think the people on this board are ignorant beyond belief. This whole "pop is crap" mentality is getting out out of control. People whine and whine about "pop music" being stagnant etc... are you aware that there is a huge amount of brilliant pop music out there? Go buy Wilco's new album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Saying pop is bullshit is like someone hearing a Paul Oakenfold remix and saying "elecronic" music is crap. If all you whol hate pop are only referring to MTV crap, get the hell over it. Theyre trying to make money at the expense of creativity? NO SHIT! What a brilliant thought! Can you imagine that no one has ever thought of this before? What a breakthrough you all have made! Did it ever occur to you that most people dont give a rats ass about music at all? That the average 14 year olds life is really shit and they want a fantasy to get lost in? How many of you care about live theatre? Should the people involved with the broadway production of "the lion king" be ashamed they sold out when they should have been starving each night while performing "Waiting for Godot?" Some people on this MB need to get off their high horses and take a look around. Everyone has a different perspective. |
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I just don't like being politically correct and nice and accepting of lower forms of life. I recommend MASS SLAUGHTER of all 14 year old girls and Limp Bizkit fans. Ground up into hamburger meat (see above post, somewhere up there), to feed the hungry. THEN they'd be doing society a service. SATAAAAAANNNN!!!!! FAAAAAUUUUSTTTUSSS!!!!! |
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no you're actually on the fence Brendan. the pop side wouldn't say what you said. they'd be having arguments with eachother on who's hotter...nsink or bsb |
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You're right, everyone does have a different perspective, and they are allowed to have the opinion that pop is crap. I wouldn't go as far to say that all pop is crap, but I think that most of it is. |
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thats the thing!! I DO care about music..probably moreso than the average person. i'll admit right here that i love art...im an artsy guy imo. so blah! i like music i like music. i don't like it when i hear others not caring or seeing others not caring. it ticks me off. |
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actually sorry..i shouldn't have said that...everyone has a right to like what they want... i just don't like mindless people that keep looking and looking ...just those people that don't care about anything... |
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thats the stupidest generalization ive come across in ages. You know, people could be posting on a boy band website right now about how IDM geeks are stuckup pretentious twats, and you know what? They would be right! And who cares? NO ONE! So let people listen to whatever they want in peace. I realise no one is losing sleep over this, but cant you find something better to do than put down "the pop side"? for chistsakes, has every single survey topic been exausted already? For a group of seemingly "intelligent" people, most of you sure dont have anything interesting to talk about. |
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Im going to start calling her Avril Lasagne |
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our silence IS our intelligence |
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what? |
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I'm not anti pop music...i passed that stage when i was about fifteen years old, and started listening to Beach Boys and Beatles instead of NoFX, Bad Religion etc... I like to think i have a pretty eclectic taste in music. I love alot of music, i have one criterium...it has to be sincere...IDM, Pop, Jazz, Punk are just labels, i don't care. This Avril girl is just so fabricated...ughh |
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Um... music is music, mates... just vibrating particles... some vibrations are more appealing to the senses than others... and everyones' senses are as different as they are the same. Despite the hardline conservative views of some of you, or the highly pop-suspicious liberals of the rest, all this shit is is noise... Personally, I agree that "artists" such as Shakira and this fake-punk Avril Lavinge are highly pre-fabricated, often untalented, and from my stance do not offer interesting or original vibrations, but in the end, who's laughing all the way to the bank? These "artists" have manipulated music industry to their own ends, releasing a typical, verse-chorus-verse song no longer than three minutes long (with an image-building video to boot) which will line their pockets and make them "stars." These people aren't visionaries like John Cage/Erik Satie, nor are they evolutionaries like Richard James or Mike Paradinas. They aren't conflicted brilliants like Radiohead or Wilco. They aren't trying to redefine the sound of sound. They haven't the capacity of genius to do so. They will capitalize on popularity and ride a wave of luck and the safety net of pop music's never-changing formulas to their early retirement, though... this is what the majority of the music we aren't listening to is doing, folks. We aren't pretentious "IDM" fans. We are fans of new ideas and directions, and that progress is being made by certain, very special artists, a few of which we are already very familiar with. Other mainstream influences include Mike Patton, System of a Down, Tool, Moby, Craig David, Madonna (by way of producers), and so on... You are all right and all wrong and it doesn't matter anyway... Credentials: I've managed a record store for a year, by the way, so I obviously know jack-shit about what I've said here... |
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Here here Ditch, well said. |
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I agree with Taoist... generalizing pop music as crap, is like calling all 80's music crap... You can't generalize a whole decade as crap, just as you can't generalize a whole genre, and pop isn't even a genre really... I have always said I loved good pop music, and there is plenty of it out there... I don't really think I'm more intelligent, or more hardcore for like IDM, cause I'm not... it's just a different taste in music... Because I like Autechre, or Aphex Twin doesn't make me more intelligent, it just means I have different tastes in music... and really, pop music is what's popular by the majority, so how can it be crap if more people like it? If music makes people happy, isn't that enough? Be it boy bands pop, brit pop, pop punk, whatever... IDM is just one facet of my music tastes, and so is good pop music... I like all types of music... |
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oh, has anyone seen the new video by Treble Charger which features our hero Avril Lavigne head banging to a pop punk song? :) |
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Ditch: I still don't understand your 'article' (should be it was well done) there. are you for pop, against or indifferent? either way its cool...its just that it doesn't seem like you're sidding to one side or anything. whats your overall opionion? |
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I have to disagree with you Funk. pop is trash. The Beatles are not pop any more. before you slam me, they are better than pop...they are somethign else entirely. pop is popular music TODAY...so you can't keep calling old stuff pop. id lable beatles as rock. id never say rock is bad cause radiohead is rock/ alternative or whatever. pop is whats on the radio today...like all those pre-fabricated people. |
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Funk: and pop is trash cause people are lemmings! EVERY SONG HAS "BABY" IN IT! THEY ALL TALK ABOUT SEX! they all talk about doing it and it sickens me! PEOPLE DON'T GET IT! change the topic already and get some decent things to actually sing out! |
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no offense, mate, but why do you care so much about what other ppl enjoy? let them enjoy avril whatsername (she's cute, btw- reminds me of buffy). those ppl that like pop prolly don't like idm, i don't mind that. i don't even give a fuck about that. you know? |
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man, I TOTALLY disagree... all pop music is is popular music... Radiohead are in a sense pop... Kid A debuted at number 1, and, I do believe High and Dry was a top 40 hit, although I could be wrong... you can't just go and label all popular music as trash man, cause there is some good pop music out there... |
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and pop is not all prefabricated music, and people and bands man... some bands actually get together and write good pop music... Coldplay, I love them, and they make good pop music... they're not prefabricated... U2, they make good pop music (although their last album was crap), and they're definitely not prefabricated... all pop is, is popular... and not all popular music is crap... it's not a genre... if IDM ever became pop would you start calling that crap just because it was now popular? |
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i hate cute. does it make the music any better? no. do people care? no...they just want to see get sweaty and loose her clothing. i shouldn't care so much its just that im concerned. i feel bad when people are subjected to this day in and day out. they don't know any better...they don't know what else is out there. its like being chickens that are fed inside..they don't know what its like to go out and search for that juicy 'worm'. the hunt and find something you absolutely enjoy! that feeling of searching and finding. i wish more people could enjoy that. |
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I know Funk...its just hard :( i shouldn't be so angry...but i am. lol ;) WINK |
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'i hate cute. does it make the music any better? no. do people care? no...they just want to see get sweaty and loose her clothing. ' damn right :) like that other bloke said, the majority of the ppl don't care about music. they want happy music when they're at work and they want dancy music when they go out. simple. you have to take time to listen to idm. most ppl don't even take time to read a book. |
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nope they don't. i don't read many books myself cause i admittedly don't know much about them and havn't found what i like to read. im sure if i found something good i would read it. and people don't take time cause they're fed flashy 8 frames per second music videos. darn its annoying watching some of them. |
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Amon you make these sweeping generalizations that do nothing more than expose your obvious lack of knowledge about music. Pop is not just what is played on the radio, and all the lyrics arent about sex. You say pop is mostly crap? You know what? Most IDM is crap. Most rap is crap. Most of the people making music on this board are crap. Most music OUT THERE is crap. I agree the radio isnt the best place to find interesting new music; but you come across as simply slagging what you obvioulsy know nothing about, which, my friend, is a very dangerous stance to take. |
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...remember kids; attack everything on mtv. be a non-conformist like all your friends. |
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most of the bad IDM is better than the bad pop. id rather listen to bad IDM than bad pop anyday. my standpoint in general is pop as in all those boy bands and stuff. i would never call radiohead pop and i wouldn't call U2 pop. its just how i consider things...so don't be so angry. and yes...on the radio, most of the lyrics (where i am anyway) ARE bout sex. |
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heres the thing. i think pop has a good / bad reputation as word depending on where you are. im talking about 'pop' not 'popular'. yes those aforementioned groups are popular with people but no really AS popular as some POP bands...which are more popular really. ive seen how the word 'pop' is handled on tv and i have a hard time calling good 'popular' music 'pop'. |
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so i call radiohead and U2 rock... I wouldn't called Daft punk's Homework cd 'pop' but 'house or hardhouse' I WOULD however call their new cd 'pop' cause it uses so much of what 'pop' is. its happy, giddy, bubblegum with that atrocious vocoder voice thing which is oft used. |
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Where YOU are? Dude I live 20 minutes away from you. Your definition of pop is the boy bands and Nickelback? So basically you are saying there are only about 50 pop bands because thats probably about how many different songs they play on the radio? Uh huh ok buddy. "id rather listen to bad IDM than bad pop anyday" That would seem to be your preference, yes; and your dad could beat up my dad Ill warrant. Can you tell me what songs have lyrics about sex? Maybe some facts to back up your perposterous claims? For someone asserting to be highly intelligent you sure make some dumb comments. |
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im not saying im highly intelligent? where have i said that? listen to Z or something...im talking about that radiostation. not somethign like CBC |
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"So basically you are saying there are only about 50 pop bands because thats probably about how many different songs they play on the radio?" i don't understand what you meant there sorry :/ |
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"I BET THE PEOPLE THAT PLAYED THAT SONG DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT LOATHE MEANS! I BET THE RAPPER THAT RAPPED THAT SONG DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT LOATHE MEANS! " You insult the vocabulary of millions of people and you dont think you are being an elitist twat? You put down hundreds of bands (not to mention their fans) as being trash (and idiots) without ever having heard their music simply because you dont like the backstreet boys. The 50 pop bands statement was derived form you saying you only consider pop music to be what is played on the radio. The radio only ever has circulation of about 50 songs which they play over and over so basically there are around 50 pop groups by your definition; which makes a lot of sense. |
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I was having fun with that saying...don't take it THAT seriously lol |
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something like Z could only play a certain type of music. look what happened to Chris Sheppard? I phoned Z when he left and found out he lost support. look what happened the Rage at the Plasa of Nations that was on sats. that disco show House Party came on instead playing more of what 'everyone wants'. i was really disappointed when Chris left. but anyways, i was in alberta and heard his show there...he's really changed and plays trance now. so i don't care. |
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So you think putting people down is funny? How about if I had fun by insulting the unemplyed as lazy fucks without a single original thought amongst their collective empty brains? Really fucking hilarious isnt it? |
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still freinds Toaist? |
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not that kind of fun. oh well... |
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Pop music is great! Everyone has a favorite pop song. Why do people keep posting as if they know something pop fans don't. YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN THEM YOU JUST LIKE DIFFERENT MUSIC |
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exactly |
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Taoist lets go to Amons house and kick the crap out of him. |
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lets just tie him down and blast Lil' Bow Wow on the stereo |
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It's cool to hate. It's FUN to hate. It feels GOOD to hate. Hating stupid music is fun. Therapeutic. Whether or not it's politically correct, oh well... no biggie. Hate who and what you will Amon! Hate hate hate! K-k-k-k-k-KILL the infidels. |
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I agree with you 010101. people do like different music. i would never have a problem with someone in real life though. my friend likes rap but i don't critize him. i'll let people be. |
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LMOA! @ Ophecks KILL KILL KILL |
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lmao* |
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is pop, rock, or goth today avril? |
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ha ha where did this come from.. I think this is her industrial look.. |
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