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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2002-10-16 10:55 [#00405662]
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Blowing up the world I mean, not stopping the suffering....yes blow up the world.
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-16 10:57 [#00405667]
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That won't stop other people to kill.
The key is called LOVE & RESPECT
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-10-16 10:58 [#00405669]
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what will?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:00 [#00405673]
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nothing.
crime cannot be banned by upping your punishment laws.
I am so against capital punishment its not funny..
how can you say to a person "you should not kill people, its morally wrong" and then kill them..?
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-10-16 11:01 [#00405675]
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i'm not for capital punishemnt either if you think that :)
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-16 11:03 [#00405676]
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to kill the serial killer. That won't stop other people to take another gun and shoot another people. So this is not a solution - this is a compensation.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:09 [#00405682]
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oh okay, sorry.. :)
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-16 11:44 [#00405748]
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Well i believe an eye for an eye. its only right for society to rid members that would be harmful to others. you know like they hung people before. if you don't want to die don't kill people. its really not that hard.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-16 11:46 [#00405751]
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so you think the majority is always right? afterall, that's what you're saying - society has the right to do as it pleases, even if it's practicing hypocrisy (killing to punish killing).
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-16 11:48 [#00405758]
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i didnt' say the majority is always right.
so what are you going to do about? they catch this guy...uhh..lets put him in jail for 5 years. yeah that'll teach him one. comes back out and shoots people again. why? cause his punishment isn't that hard. if he thought okay if i kill someone i will die...hmm maybe i won't shoot then...
smart choice!
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-16 11:49 [#00405760]
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i know he'll get more than 5 years...thats not the point. the point is what the punishment there is today isn't enough...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:49 [#00405761]
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but then your idea is that people can't change..
what would be the minimum to get electrocuted..?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 11:50 [#00405762]
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All this punishment talk is bullshit. Society should prevent crimes, not punish them.
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-10-16 11:50 [#00405764]
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i hope no one kills my cats :(
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-16 11:50 [#00405765]
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"it's only right for society.." you're saying that society is infallible. so it was only right for 1930s german society to practice genocide? it was only right for america to enslave blacks for 200 years? i know you're not saying that, but do you see my point? what's practiced isn't always what's right. capital punishment is a barbaric custom that has outlasted mass genoicide and slavery but is just as evil.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 11:51 [#00405767]
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Fuck you all, guys I have a superfast collection here, Imma find meself some porn
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:51 [#00405769]
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anyway, lots of people who go weird and kill lots of people kill themselves at some point. they don't care anymore for the law.
do you think the prospect of sitting in jail for say, 10 years is to be taken lightly..? "ah whats 10 years of my life if I get to kill a few people"
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 11:51 [#00405770]
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Prevention, not punishment.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-16 11:51 [#00405771]
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Qrter: well death. its that simple. if you kill someone you should die. it shouldnt even be questioned.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-16 11:52 [#00405773]
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Meho: of course.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:53 [#00405774]
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worst thing about capital punishment is that it can only really be used if the justice system is infallible.. execution cannot be reversed.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 11:54 [#00405778]
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Hello, Tits, I'm in a hotel 500 kilometers from home and I have free internet and a superfast connection. I couldn't resist checking up on you guys...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:54 [#00405779]
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when you kill someone by accident..? death?
when you are an accessory..? death?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 11:56 [#00405783]
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We should destroy monster societies we live in where we don't get to know our peers. This anonimity actually creates guys like this sniper dude. Small communities would prevent guys like this from ever showing up and their "sentences" would most of the time be faultless because in a small community you get to know each other and if somebody says that you should be sent into exile/ executed because you are a threat to the community and all the rest know you are not, then, what can go wrong...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 11:58 [#00405784]
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well there is a lot to say for that.. but that can also lead to "small-town mindedness".. everyone checking up on eachother..
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:00 [#00405787]
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You are right about that. However, that's always something that follows societies who try to present themselves beigger than they actually are. In my perfect world communitites would be small and happy to stay small, but also fluid, people would want to travel from one to the other, to taste different micro-cultures etc.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 12:02 [#00405791]
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nice idea.
although I think most people would not want that "fluidness". too scared.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-10-16 12:03 [#00405793]
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meho where are you staying? if its allowed for public hehe are you on vacation or bussines? not much to do with topic :)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:05 [#00405795]
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qrter: it is our task to teach them not to fear. It is my life's mission.
Tolstoyed: I'm in Podgorica (Former Titograd) in Montenegro, in this nice Hotel Crna Gora. I have three beds in my room, a mini-bar, a TV set and condoms in the drawer (I don't need those as I only masturbate anyway). I'm actually on a business trip, I have had meetings and "business lunches" all day...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-10-16 12:09 [#00405803]
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must visit sometime, ppl tell me its cool and "at good price"
i've been there like 15 years ago, dont remember much anymore-ill visit soon again :)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:10 [#00405805]
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Good price? hahaha, you bastards, well, probably for your standard 200 euros for bed & breakfast is a good price
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:11 [#00405806]
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Of, course, me being a Red Cross person, I have to pay only 80 eur...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-10-16 12:12 [#00405807]
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shit, that sounds expensive :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-10-16 12:13 [#00405809]
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how do i apply for red cross?
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-10-16 12:15 [#00405811]
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i think it's TWO peepz......that to me is even scarier than ONE sniper, because whoever is driving this guy around AGREE's with whatever nutty idea this guy has in his head. or is a helpless pawn that doesn't have a choice.....maybe an abused wife or girlfriend.
either way.....i hope they catch him alive, i would like to hear what motivated him to do it......some ozzy osborn song? some violent computer game.....i like hearing these excuses.....
the innocent lives lost....the lives unlived are the real tragedy......=/
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:16 [#00405812]
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It is. They told me it was more expensive than Hyatt and I laughed and then, when I got there and saw the prices I was like, "wow, they didn't lie..." But there are a lot of other hotels here...
You know what's a funny story: the montenegro has their elections on sunday, so their TV is full of the election candidates and parties talking their shit. I had a lot of fun with watching their talks last night. Jesus, some communist party talking about restoring socialism in this country, they had me in tears in mere seconds...
However, it was quite depressing, when I got to the room, I turned the TV on, and, on 10 or so TV channels, i couldn't find ANYTHING in serbian. It was either america/ south american TV shows on Montenegro TV, or italian and british TV channels... Fuck, man, you know me, I'm no patriot, but it still sounds fucking bad...
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ward
from Cheshire (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-16 12:17 [#00405813]
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I know this sounds kinda sick, but I was having a conversation with my mate this morning abou this, and I think it is kinda funny, I mean, I know people are dying & people are beginnin to get scared but it's like a movie or something.......
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:17 [#00405814]
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Didn't that guz write to the papers and told them he is god?
Tolstozed: I dunno, I got here almost accidentally...
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ward
from Cheshire (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-16 12:18 [#00405815]
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actually, there is actually a film about a sniper shooting inicent people that should be out now, but has been delayed until this sniper is caught.........
wierd....
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-16 12:18 [#00405816]
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qrter: precisely. the judicial system is VERY flawed. just ask mumia.
Meho: in case it wasn't clear, i was responding to amonbrune's comment before, not yours. i totally agree with you: prevention is the best method.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:18 [#00405817]
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It is like a movie indeed, another perverted piece of evidence that it is not art emulating reality any more but the other way round...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-10-16 12:19 [#00405820]
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Tits, I know, it's OK, I was just enjoying my fast connection and being able to post at high speed.
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2002-10-16 12:25 [#00405825]
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i was thinking about this whole thing this morning, and how its actually not that bad for the victims...they dont even know theyve been shot...theyre out minding their own business, and then....? nothing.... its worse for us who are still alive because we have the fear now...
sucks though...bleh!
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-10-16 12:37 [#00405835]
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he didn't write to the papers that i'm aware of ......they found a tarot card (i think it was the death card) that had that statement written on it. they don't know if it's connected, but if not it's a pretty strange coinky dink!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 12:42 [#00405842]
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you don't know that.
maybe they suffered a while, maybe there was even only 1 minute for the person to think "fuck I'm dying".. just as awful.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 12:43 [#00405844]
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and the death card doesn't even literally mean death..
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-10-16 12:45 [#00405846]
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Nope, but it doesn't matter WHAT it means, as long as he keeps blowing people's heads off. In this case, death is DEATH.
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2002-10-16 12:51 [#00405853]
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qrter - yeah i know, it was just a thought...i was only hoping that they wouldnt suffer, im not saying it doesnt suck, but it puts us in fear... i was also only just waking up.
lets put it this way: i would hope that the last thing the victims had been thinking was fixed on whatever they were doing.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-10-16 12:52 [#00405854]
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He's going for body shots every time, never the head or limbs. I wonder how the market for bullet proof vests is right now. Buy some stock!
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Bremzen
from utrecht (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-16 12:55 [#00405856]
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there are people who survived this, right? if so, these people would probably never be able to go out on the street without fear...
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