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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 01:51 [#00480651]
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The Predestined War On Terrorism in a nutshell
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 02:11 [#00480661]
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Colleges and universities are becoming increasingly corporatized. Colleges are becoming factories run by corporate directors and executives. Students are the product; corporations the client. Increasingly, at many schools, students help pay for the corporate/military research going on at their campuses while becoming good workers who learn not to question their masters.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 02:18 [#00480663]
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"Well, if I had a suction cup on my butt, I'd sit on the ceiling, okay?"
- Dan
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 02:25 [#00480665]
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Wow that was almost profound. What went wrong there wMw?
Are you feeling alright?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 02:26 [#00480667]
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I don't think I would last five minutes in your head.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 02:30 [#00480669]
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+while becoming good workers who learn not to question their masters.
My wife relates 100% she just finished an IT course where she had to constantly enage in a battle of wits with her tutors trying to subliminate and subjugate her opinions on workers rights including discrimination based on ethnicity
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 02:32 [#00480670]
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+bends head opens its door places a welcome mat and remembers to put an after dinner mint on the pillow in the guest room
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 02:35 [#00480671]
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When I envision all of souvenirs of my young life I think of future generations (from my offspring) who I’ll never meet cashing them in for profit. I watch Antiques Roadshow; I know what goes on. You’re famous, you keep letters you’ve written or received, you die, and then grandchildren get it appraised and auction it off. Why should I hand fractions of my life away to people who’ll I never meet, and probably wouldn’t like anyway? So it has to go. All of it. Torched, burned, and scattered into the wind. Besides, I like fire. There won’t be anything more gratifying than dropping a match to seasoned paper and watching it disappear, except for sitting and getting the scent of smoke caught in my hair and clothes. I love smoke more than I love fire, but without the later you can’t have the first.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 02:40 [#00480673]
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okay where did you cut and paste that out of?
+You’re..wouldn’t... (tell tale signs of the said scissoring and gluing activities
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 02:55 [#00480675]
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What is Pure evil? Although evil is a human perception, and thus, a man-created illusion, it has relevance nevertheless. We can try to ignore it, but one cannot ignore what doesn't have some degree of reality.
There's a general perception of what evil is. It's a matter of culture. Individually, most people share the general perception, with few differences.
Our thoughts and beliefs, no matter how fantastic, are part of reality...our own, at least. They're so real, we can only function and create based upon our thoughts and beliefs. We borrow from the abstract, to produce a concrete, material reality.
What is pure evil? whatever you think it is.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 02:58 [#00480676]
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I guess the internet is full of morons and people who think they're exceptions. People like me hate people like me.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:04 [#00480678]
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Yep. X-ray technician. It's the ultimate job, really. I'd get to work in a hospital and wear those cool rubber gloves all day and no one would think I was crazy. But instead of one of those clunky X-ray machines, I think I'd rather use a normal camera. More discrete, you know? And instead of taking pictures of dislocated kneecaps and broken tibias, I think I would just take full body pictures. I wouldn't like to focus on what's wrong with a person, that'd make me feel bad all the time and I'd start hospital fires. And instead of injured people, I think I'd be better off taking pictures of naked women. Yep. X-ray technician is the job for me.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 03:07 [#00480679]
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@@ is that all coming out of your head?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:16 [#00480682]
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No, other people's heads are more interesting. Humans are so cute. EVERYONE is innocent.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 03:32 [#00480690]
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I believe so too..
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-14 08:13 [#00480787]
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The only thing missing is a smoking gun that shows the US intelligence agencies were complicit in the 9/11 hijackings.
As for Saddam, he's been such a good puppet that after any "war" on "Iraq" he'll be retired to the same resort island where bin Laden lives, bodysurfing and drinking coconut rum drinks.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 10:37 [#00480827]
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flea,
Why do u have to feel like the victim? I think your mistaken you ought to feel very lucky your in a country where you can push yourself forward. You ought to brush those chips off your shoulders. More than anything else people will respect you if you want to better yourself. Anyway it could be a million times worse, you could live in a country where basically you have no freedom of speech, your forced to pray, you have rife disease, poverty, civil war and leaders who have no regard for human life. Complaining about a few corporations is just silly, you seem to think that they should be charities, thats not the way capitalism works. Besides its all good it all feeds back into American and European purses and helps us move forward. The fact is no one is forcing you to work for a big corporation and be 'a corporate slave', believe it or not you do have choice in life. I mean what do you expect to do? The state is pretty supportive in its own right already. People have got to have motivation, come on be fair. I get so angry when people start on this tack like they've got no choice I find it tremendously weak - no offence but life is for the taking, that should be obvious.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 14:01 [#00480924]
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Why is FLEA "lucky" because he is brown does he have less rights than you huh? In actual fact FLEA was attacked in my country with a racist with an dirty great iron bar and beaten 16 times over the head. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK HUH?
What makes you think people are forced to practice their religion or traditions of choice or be forced to live in poverty by Western governments who are promoting their misery. Keep your head stuck in the sand.
his enlightened kiwi wife RED
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 14:14 [#00480929]
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What I meant was that he was attacked by a racist not with a racist years before even 9-11 happened.
>Life is for the taking As if that matters. All 9-11 has ever done is to bring the racists out of the closet and have them justify their pathetic existence.
In NZ the Race Relations ran a campaign a few years depicting on a poster graphics of 4 brains amazingly enough the racist brain was the smallest.
Red
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 14:22 [#00480930]
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I really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Sounds like a load of extremely neurotic ranting and mumbo jumbo to me.
I certainly don't implore racists if thats what your suggesting, they're loathsome characters. Besides I think your the racist, you sound pretty extreme to me. I think you'll find that if you do your research plenty of coloured people etc are pretty racist to, if not worse. And the difference is nobody questions it. So I think you're living in a fantasy world chum. The reality is I treat everybody equally have always done.
Personally I don't give a crap if you want to go and live in some other third world socialist or facist jacked up country, which you feel to be a better alternative to where you currently live. Be my guest see how much you enjoy it. However don't come back to me complaining.
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2002-12-14 14:26 [#00480931]
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linkielol
"President Reagan declared Rambo to be one of his favourite films."
lmao, omg the ppl they chose for president
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-12-14 14:26 [#00480932]
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"All I have to say is, get that chip off your shoulder promo.
In almost all of your posts your talking down to people, and
having this holier then thou type attitude, I mean get the stick out dood. We are all nice people here... no need to be
abraisive. Just my 2 cents. "
This is the kinda stuff I am talking about promo, just to let you know.
*forcess himself not to get in on this political thread*
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 14:38 [#00480935]
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Let me get this straight you are talking reverse racism here... this is a tactic commonly used by racists. And by someone who watches CNN constantly and requotes rhetoric. Once again this FLEA's wife RED not himself and I dont get why you cant understand something as simple as human rights violations by Western countries...
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 15:27 [#00480960]
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flea,
Gimme a break. Human rights violations please, you need to get off your high horse. What the hell are you on about? Granted I mean no society is perfect, we don't live in a perfect world but I think we can agree that the Western world is a far more appetising place to live than anywhere else.
Anyway what human rights violations are u talking about? What some corporations or something pay low wages, well those countries have bad currencies and its a competitive world so sure they exploit it, so what? They're not killing these people, they're giving them work. I mean crikey they don't owe them a living. I mean these people don't have to work for them they still have a choice. The fact is that we're (Western society) not perfect and so because not everything we've done has been absolutely glistening and sparkling without fault, that makes the Western world bad, your taking things to the nth degree. Come on for the amount of supposed 'violations' you claim we may or may have not done, they don't rank half way as bad as many many other countries (like China, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc etc) you are getting things completely out of wack. You ought to be supporting the Western world instead of rallying against it, its about the best option you've got.
And for your information the press certainly here in the UK, I don't know about the states, are extremely liberal (lefty that is) so you tell me how I've been supposedly brainwashed.
However flea I do agree with you that the Western world (certainly the UK) could be and should be doing more to help a lot countries with economic development etc and I believe there are plenty of excellent initiatives that could be implemented. The next century could be a very positive one if handled correctly.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 15:29 [#00480963]
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Mickey Mouse,
Come on man your being like the Gestapo or something. I feel like you know I can't say anything now or something. Jeeze they're just my views. :-(
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 15:36 [#00480967]
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yaawn...hi..I am back... promo you been having a converstaion with my wife "RED" while I was asleep..and you failed to gather that after her numerous attempts to resolve this identity crisis...so gimme a few minutes to go over these research thesis of replies of yours and see what's what and who's where okay?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 15:43 [#00480972]
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Oh right, yeah I did seem to get a bit confused there. :-)
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-12-14 15:45 [#00480973]
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Yes, we all have views..... opinions are like nipples and we all have em. It all has to do with how you word your thoughts....
I am not the gestapo.....BUT I HAVE A GUN!!!!!!
WATCHOUT OF YOU MIGHT BE GATTED BY MY NINE!!!!!!!
WORD UP!
;*)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 15:54 [#00480979]
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okay this is a reply to your first reply...
basically your view of any country which isnot US/UK seems to emenate right out of the media propagand blasts coupled with Hollywoodism...time to get a reality check..most of the third world countires arenot thecesspits they are constantly portrayed as in the forementioned brainwashing media feeds..okay...infact most of the most beautiful, serene and Majestic landscapes exist in third world/muslim countries...free of the hopping leper beggers and camel riding terorists that you keep envisioning......
Okay now that we opened a window and let some fresh air into your convuluted world view..now the problems...
1. Every Dictator and "leaders with no regards for human life"..that you speak of..has been either directly or indirectly placed by a western power..because..these same western powers..(you being fron THE UNITED KINGDOM..need not be forced through a lecture on Empire building and Colonialism) used to control these countries with pomp and badge...but since the fall of the colonies...it was deemed by the Western Colonial powers that democracy bestowed upon thes "SAVAGES"would be a dangerous prospect for the continual leeching of wealth and resources that they intended to continue unpinged...hence a whole network and chronolgy of puppet democracies alternated with Military Dictators were devised and planned and planted...each of these govts/dictators heavily sponsored funded and sponsored by western powers (the Shah of Iran,Shah of Afghanistan and Saddam Hussain..comes to mind)..and not just a blind eye but whole hearted encouragement of merciless crushing of anycall for true independence..proceeded..Human Rights have been a dirty word in the Imperialist lingo..I suggest you do some research into the Machination of your govt through out the history before launching into these debates...
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 15:58 [#00480981]
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oh mickey you so cute ;)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 16:06 [#00480984]
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UK itself is not the haven you seem to insistant on deluding yourself that you are living in...
Thatcher wasnt that long ago was it?..And even in this boom...There's still huge unemployment, housing and health issues..that are constantly swept under the rug..that these problems are seemingly rife only in thetheethnic coloured slums where the people are too lazy and unmotivated to better themselves and come to grips with the blessings of corporate cultures is yet another myth perpetuated by your media..
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 16:07 [#00480985]
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flea,
This is the usual loony left liberal hashed up interpretation of history.... Empire established rule of law, administration, government, railways and the beginning of technology. If the peoples of these territories revert back to tribal rivalry, ignorance, Muslim theocracy or whatever, then its clear that we can't go back in every five minutes to clear up the mess they make on their own account.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 16:25 [#00480989]
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What makes you think there wasnt law, administration, government,the beginning
of technology in the former colonies?..
Let's just take two examples..China and Middle East, and India at the inception of colonialism...they were originally empires themselves, very advanced in matters of law administration and government..the tribal rivarlry and factionalism was harnessed and cultivated by the foreign"traders"..British East India Company for example..to breakdown the order and the heirarchies incharge..it was a slow systematic process..of briberies and promises of power for the tribes(they were actually states with nobilities unlike the tribes you keep mentioning) to divide sub divide and then conquer neighbouring states thus spreading chaos and uncertainity in the central seats of power...
sorry that last post displayed too much ignorance of history for me to want to continue this..you either dont know history of your colonies or dont want to believe it and are happy with your roaring yarns of boyhood fantasies of noble Englishmen bringinglight to flaming savages.....
either way this is increasingly an exercise in futility
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 16:40 [#00481005]
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Flea,
The empire wasn't in China (apart from Hong Kong which was just some swamp land when the British got it - look at it now). China still does not have the concept of rule of law. India was not united but was united by the British raj. Law and the courts established by the British were secular and incorrupt and even today eminent Indian jurists speak in praise of that particular heritage from the British. And India today is permeated with corruption as the norm – that’s purely Indian. So it is you who doesn't know your history. And one more thing the legacy of democracy handed to India by Britain is maintained to this day to the great credit of India. You are right to retire from this debate because you want to twist history to your own distorted mirror..... You need to seriously grow up and understand the world and geopolitics of it in which you and I both live.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 16:57 [#00481025]
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the British Infiltrated far deeper than Honk Kong..they had designs on Shanghai..and the rest..their destabalizing processes were instrumental in the control shifting to the current hierarchy of apseudo marxist state that you are now so fond of complaining about..
You are ignorant of the history of India..the British werethere long before there was a British Raj...first the tradersstarting in 1600....set in machination the destabalizing processes...then a more formalised British East India Company to defend the traders..was ruling the country..until the rebellions in 1857 when the Queen officially declared India a colony...
so in effect it was actually a corporation running the entire sub continent on the British Empire's behalf....is this sounding familiar???
Ofcoarse in comparison to the constant chaos and muckracking and instability caused by British East India Company
the British Raj was acceptable...justas TALIBAN was acceptable to the poor hapless Afghans afters years and years of Civil War...
It's you mate that needs to uncork your head out of Monarchist Archivists butt..and learn about the history as it happened..not as the conquerors wrote!!
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