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bush, as in their president (of course!). i just dont get it. |
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few really do |
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how'd he get elected? |
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he wasn't |
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do they? i dont think so much do... :/ |
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it was a farce. he was elected by the electoral college but if the election was based on popular vote he would have lost as more people voted for Al Gore. this is old news though. |
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even with that electoral scandal, the guy still received massive votes. at least 40%. so people did vote for him. |
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al gore did win the popular vote, but it's still democrats' fault bush is in office cos gore had a clearer majority in terms of people who actually wanted him in office. the problem is, statistics infer that democrats vote less often than republicans, which is really lame but hey maybe they've learned their lesson now. personally i wanted nader in office, but again -- liberals are too lazy to go vote. it's sad how many people i know who were strongly in favor of nader that either didn't register to vote or were registered and just didn't go to the polls. it really makes all liberals look bad. once again though.. perhaps we've now learned our lesson. |
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They seem to like him since: A) Last night, Republicans (his party) scored a huge victory. B) His approval ratings are consistently over 65% (very high) I think they like the way he's dealing with "homeland security" and the "evildoers". |
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so in the electoral college, each state has a certain number of votes depending on the population of the state. Texas has like 20 something and smaller states like Rhode Island have much much less. Depending on how many people vote within a state, the candidate gets a certain number of that state's electoral votes. actually what happens is the state votes for delegates who cast the electoral votes representing the state or some shit like that. I don't really understand it, I'm a biologist not a politician. |
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I didn't vote. i didn't like any of the candidates and we dont get a "none of the above" vote in this country. |
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cortex: why did he get 40% of the votes? well, his campaign was stronger. i'm not saying i agree with his politics (i'm actually vehemently opposed to them) or that i believed his promises (i still don't); i'm just saying that he made a more compelling case than gore, who really shot himself in the foot with his poorly run campaign. i guess he figured he would win since never in the history of the US has an incumbent vice president with the economy on his side ever lost when running for president. gore was just THAT bad. he even lost his home state. what a disgrace. so, bush got so many votes cos he was a good deceiver, the democratic ticket was weak, liberals are lazy voters, and the elderly and upper class never forget to vote. |
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evolume: did you look past the two main choices and, i dunno, actually read about other candidates' platforms? how about nader? harry brown? even pat buchanan if that's what you're into. |
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i hear what you're saying, and it's true he had a hell of a better campaign. but i dont get why this explains why he got elected. are americans so impressionnable? no matter who you are or what your ideas are, you'll get elected if you project a good image? if a total asshole (i.e. hitler) wanted to run for president and did an amazing electoral campaign when his oponent, gore, really sucked, would he have won? of course im exagerating, but do you get what im saying? |
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naw, actually i didn't really look either. i am one of those apathetic lazy liberals. But i also feel that for me to vote, not really knowing anything about the candidates, is worse that not voting at all. In other words i think voting blind is far more destructive than not voting at all. when i do vote i always try to really familiarize myself with the issues at hand and make a well informed decision but that all takes so much time and well, like i said, i am lazy and apathetic to the whole thing. |
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what pisses me off and insults me is when i see a bush speach broadcast live on tv. just the terms he uses and the sentence formulation he says, it ticks me off. 'hussein is a homicidal tyrant. he's an evildoer and harms people who love freedom. the us must defend those freedomlovers blah blah blah...". not that im pro-hussein, not at all. |
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I'm sure I could put this more eloquently, but fuck George W. Bush. |
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yes, cortex -- "we" are very impressionable. do you honestly think every president that has been elected in the u.s. has been the best choice? it's just a game of who puts on the better show. america was put off by clinton's overt intelligence and eloquence, not to mention his infidelity to his wife. as a result, working class americans joined the people who vote republican no matter what in voting for "dubya" because of his supposed moralism (despite the fact that he and his father have both cheated on their wives AND dubya is a former alcoholic and coke addict... which is of course totally downplayed) and "plain language" (blatant stupidity). it's sad but after 8 years of clinton, THAT's what won over more voters this time around. anyway, that's the story for 2000, but every election has its own story.. and btw this doesn't just happen in america. |
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evolume: ok, but if you can't take the 20 minutes to read about other candidates then you have no right to complain about politics or the decisions those in power make. |
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what you're saying is quite possible imo. it's less frequent that the better man actually wins than the opposite. by your logic, since bush is such an asshole, he has no way of winning the next elections, right? |
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just a few months ago his approval rating was like 90% or something. his team must be made up of geniuses cos the dingbats in this country are buying up his bullshit hook like and sinker. i was checking out my college's unofficial message board earlier and some kid (a supposed democrat) said he'd go to war in iraq if he had to and that he thinks it's perfectly valid that our war with them is about iraq. he didn't even make any bones about it being the true reason. he said that it'll soon be the 2nd most important resource in the world and that it's really important or some bullshit like that. so yea, the people who diss bush make up a really small minority of people in this country (mostly the educated youth). |
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i don't like Bush. |
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I wasn't really a big fan of Gore OR Bush.. I would've rather seen one of the 'minority' canditates like Buchanan or nader give a shot at it.. but I know zero about politics. I'd rather have Bush than Gore, but just barely. So far I think he's dealt with the Al-Queda thing decently. The decision whether or not to go to war will be the determining factor though.. |
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the gap between democrats and republicans is closing. when i turn eighteen i'll most likely vote democrat, but i may vote independent. depends where the issues lie. i would never vote for an imbecile like bush though. not sure why 49 percent of the country thought he'd do such a good job. |
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the problem with independant parties is that, no matter how good they are, they'll never get elected unfortunately. the democrats and republicans are too big and so much richer, theyll eat the independants alive. |
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yeah. thats strange though, as i've heard many a democrat say that, and you'd think if they simply went out and voted independent, instead of drawing forgone conclusions, independents might actually gain a foothold in politics. our current bipartisan government is too limited, we need some room to breathe. |
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or maybe americans that are pro-independant think like me on that matter. therefore, they wont make the effort of voting since they think it's a lost cause, when in fact, if they all voted, they could make a difference... |
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yeah thats what i meant |
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zapod: 49% didn't. problem is, as i said -- fools don't be votin' up in this bitch. uviol: i know you don't follow politics, but just so you know... there's a huge difference between nader and buchannan. don't assume that any minority candidate is worthy of being in office. i can't think of anyone i want less to be president than buchannan. that would be a monstrosity on a historical scale. within four years he would be near hitler proportion. CORTEX: the democrats and republicans haven't always been the two top parties. people have the power to change things. sure, it's very gradual, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't bother. i'm a registered independent. |
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I'm American. George W. Bush is a cocksucker. George Bush Sr. is even more of a cocksucker. uviol: love the new avatar... |
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well, i believe 49% of those who voted voted for bush. as he did lose the popular election and all. but you're right, hardly anyone in this country votes. |
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tits: thanks for the info.. Like i said i'm really clueless, I guess i just meant I'd have liked to have seen someone other than Gore or Bush in office, sorry for the clumsy grouping. Although I know a bit about the Green party.. pomme: thank you :) |
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zaphod: if everyone voted for who they think should be president, bush would've lost by more than 1%. that's what i'm saying. |
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ah, gotcha. |
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what do you mean? |
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are you essentially saying that people didn't vote with their conscience? because i may have to disagree. |
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People are dumb. Many feel we did not instegate 9-11, and feel that Bush's policy in the middle-east is fine, and thus many of those people are going to agree with him. Just look at the Iraq anti-war marches that have been happening around the D.C. area, tons don't agree with him. |
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of course 9-11 was instigated by the us. the sad thing is that innocent people suffered... |
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zaphod: no, i'm repeating that people don't vote, especially liberals. republicans have more time on their hands, plus they have more money so they can afford to take off an afternoon or morning from work in order to vote. plus they're more informed and aren't likely to "forget" it's election day. PLUS they generally are less apathetic. that's what i mean. the only muthafuckaz that didn't vote with their conscience are those who supported nader but voted for gore at the last minute cos of gore's scare campaigns. i don't think they realized that some states go democratic every election, or that it was really important for nader to actually RECEIVE his votes, not just verbal support. a few months before the election, a poll showed nader with almost 9% of the popular vote. fuck the supporters who didn't vote for him. |
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yeah. thats exactly what i was talking about. its not enough to "support" something like the green party. you have to vote for it simply for it to recieve funding. i wish more people hadn't wussed out on that. |
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someone sent me this, it suits the subject a little: "Bush's foreign policy is policy like Madison Square Garden is a garden..." -Anon |
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i don't complain like i said, i'm apathetic to politics in general. it takes too much energy to worry about that crap. |
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DONT VOTE REPUBLICAN! |
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I'm an hispanic american, and I didnt vote cause I didnt know shit about either sides only about the school amendment- I've known a lot of people who like Bush cause they're over aged hispanics who dont know shit..I dont have a problem with Bush-I mean he's my president and my friends are in the Marines is how far my respect goes but either way we're all gonna die |
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ignorance is truly bliss, huh? |
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he = teh $ux0r |
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Are you insulting me? |
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