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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-24 05:56 [#00712599] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | Having a discusion over at watmm... but I want your guys advice as well...
 
 can pot lead to permanent insanity?
 
 I ask, because when ever I smoke, I just go nuts. I scream
 alot, and ramble on about complete jibberish, and just
 generally, I feel like this is what insanity feels like.
 
 My friends just laugh... but do you think it could lead to
 something bad?
 
 I only smoke like 3, sometimes 4 times a month... but
 everytime I smoke, its like I get more nutso.
 
 thoughts?
 
 
 
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         |  mc_303_beatz
             from Glasgow, Scotland on 2003-05-24 05:58 [#00712602] Points: 3386 Status: Regular
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 | I get totally para man on the old Jazz Cigarettes. I used to toke a heavy wad aw the stuff so noo am jist stickin tae a
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         |  diablo
             on 2003-05-24 05:59 [#00712604] Points: 3242 Status: Lurker
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 | This is nothing new. Remember the black n white film "reefer madness"
 
 I think, yes it can cause problems for some people, but put
 in perspective, I think alcohol can do more damage... I mean
 how many mad homeless people are stoners rather than
 alcoholics?
 
 
 
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         |  Junktion
             from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-05-24 05:59 [#00712605] Points: 9713 Status: Lurker
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 | to answer your question: yes 
 
 
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         |  J198
             from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-24 06:00 [#00712607] Points: 7342 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | wow thats pretty scary. i've never heard of those effects before. as far as i know, you cant go insane from pot but
 dont take my word for it. i would go to the shroomery forums
 and ask this in general questions.
 
 
 
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         |  Sido Dyas
             from a computer on 2003-05-24 06:00 [#00712608] Points: 8876 Status: Lurker
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 | Yeah there is rare cases of people kind of dissapering into a psychosis.
 I know a guy who used to be a really funny and cool person
 who now can't even remember his own name. Sad.
 Maybe it is dangerous if you alredy have mental problems ? i
 don't know.
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-05-24 06:01 [#00712609] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | It is proven that in people with a pre disposition to depression it can trigger attacks.  It is also known to
 trigger psychosis on occasions, but other than the risk of
 lung related disease I don't think there are any recognised
 long term mental effects.
 
 Obviously with any drug people can suffer from side effects,
 but every one talks shit when they are smoking weed :D
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-24 06:01 [#00712611] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | maybe I have underlying mental problems... just waiting to come out?
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-24 06:02 [#00712613] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker | Followup to ecnadniarb: #00712609
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 | well... I DO have depression... 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-05-24 06:03 [#00712614] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00712611 | Show recordbag
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 | Probably not...I know loads of people who go strange when they smoke weed.  One of my mates goes through an entire
 exercise routine.  Makes a cup of tea...sits down, starts
 talking about shit and falls to sleep.  Same every single
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-05-24 06:04 [#00712617] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00712613 | Show recordbag
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 | Do you have diagnosed clinical depression or "i don't feel to happy today" kind of depression?  If it is clinical you
 should stay the fuck away from weed.
 
 
 
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         |  Sido Dyas
             from a computer on 2003-05-24 06:04 [#00712618] Points: 8876 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00712611
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 | Any history of mental problems in your family? 
 When i smoke (not often at all) i usually shut the fuck up
 cause i know everything i say will be bullshit hahhahaha.
 I prefer drinking.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-24 06:04 [#00712619] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | maybe ill record what I say next time... to get some perspective
 
 i just always say stuff, then stop, and think, jesus, I
 sound like a psycho
 
 but then I do it more
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-05-24 06:06 [#00712623] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00712619 | Show recordbag
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 | lol,  everyone does that though.  Me and a friend had a 2 hour argument on the best way to kill and nun and hide the
 body from God :D
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-24 06:06 [#00712624] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker | Followup to ecnadniarb: #00712617
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 | clinical 
 150 megs of zoloft right now...
 
 history in my family? not of psyhcosis... but a looong
 history of depression
 
 
 
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         |  KEYFUMBLER
             from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-05-24 06:24 [#00712643] Points: 5696 Status: Lurker
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 | my estranged Pops, who has smoked pot for 40 years straight, is the most laziest bastard i know but he has a lot of
 freinds, has a sweet life with low rent in Paris and is a
 fucking helluva nice, chiiled out dude.
 
 I´d rather be a decent father to my kids if i ever have
 them though, so i gave up.
 
 
 
 
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         |  pOgO
             from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-05-24 06:24 [#00712644] Points: 12687 Status: Lurker
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 | pot can make you paranoid, which can make you go mad if you don;t controll it, but that goes for pretty much most drugs
 
 I know a girl who won't leave the house on her own cause she
 gets so stressed out, all due to pot.
 
 I get noidy sometimes too ! I hate going to the bathroom on
 my own cause I spin myself out. I know it's just me though,
 which is where the line is drawn.
 
 I don't actualy belive that a giant spider is going to come
 up and bite my bum, I just think about it............. (did
 I just think that or actually say it =os)
 
 
 
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         |  pOgO
             from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-05-24 06:26 [#00712646] Points: 12687 Status: Lurker
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 | smoking dope with depression is a BAD idea, especialy of your on medication.
 
 You get to thinking when your stoned, and things can get out
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         |  Spacecadet
             on 2003-05-24 06:28 [#00712648] Points: 1790 Status: Lurker
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 | i think long term use can lead to paranoid dementia, i saw a program called 'cannabis psychosis' kinda made me cut down a
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         |  wilcoooo
             from Sydney (Belgium) on 2003-05-24 06:35 [#00712656] Points: 794 Status: Regular
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 | it can trigger schizophrenia, that was the conclusion of a recently research about the effects of cannabis
 
 
 
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         |  pOgO
             from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-05-24 06:38 [#00712659] Points: 12687 Status: Lurker | Followup to wilcoooo: #00712656
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 | linky 
 
 
 
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         |  KEYFUMBLER
             from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-05-24 06:38 [#00712661] Points: 5696 Status: Lurker
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 | both my dads are schizo 
 
 
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         |  korben dallas
             from nz on 2003-05-24 06:40 [#00712662] Points: 4605 Status: Regular
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 | imo opinion that research ain't quite conclusive, just so happens that weed is a common factor associated with
 schizophrenia etc. ... lots of other variables not accounted
 for .. that aside - it is worth keepin in
 mind. schizophrenia isn't usually that pleasant an illness
 :/
 
 
 
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         |  diablo
             on 2003-05-24 06:41 [#00712665] Points: 3242 Status: Lurker
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 | Basically, if you feel it is not doing you any good, stop. It's not for everyone. A couple of my friends don't smoke
 pot any more coz they found the negative effects outweighed
 the positive. They don't have an issue with me smoking with
 them there and I respect them for stopping.
 
 
 
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         |  pOgO
             from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-05-24 06:41 [#00712666] Points: 12687 Status: Lurker | Followup to korben dallas: #00712662
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 | yeah 
 If Me, Myself and Irene is anything to go by =os
 
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         |  Frag
             from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-05-24 06:50 [#00712671] Points: 1024 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00712624
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 | same scenario, i think 
 
 
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         |  Sido Dyas
             from a computer on 2003-05-24 06:52 [#00712673] Points: 8876 Status: Lurker
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 | "And if it was a fifth, then we'd all be stoned But if I don't drink and drive then how the fuck am I gone
 get home?
 I can't stop smokin weed cause I ain't no quitter
 But since it's killin my brain cells maybe I should
 reconsider (You wouldn't
 dear!)
 Nah, but all the non-fixture niggas is you in here?"
 
 Onyx-Most Def
 
 Sometimes the simplest rhymes are the best.
 
 
 
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         |  rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-24 06:57 [#00712675] Points: 7983 Status: Lurker
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 | NYERR NYERR NYERR 
 
 
 
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         |  Sido Dyas
             from a computer on 2003-05-24 07:02 [#00712677] Points: 8876 Status: Lurker | Followup to rockenjohnny: #00712675
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 | Yeah exactly! Good point dude.
 
 
 
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         |  Phresch
             from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2003-05-24 07:07 [#00712679] Points: 9989 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | 'Know your dopefiend. Your life may depend on it! You will not be able to see his eyes because of tea-shades, but his
 knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will
 be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he
 can't find a rape-victim. He will stagger and babble when
 questioned. He will not respect your bath.'
 
 'Know your dopefiend. Your life may depend on it!'
 
 
 
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         |  dan7250
             from Osaka (Japan) on 2003-05-24 07:09 [#00712680] Points: 598 Status: Lurker
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 | a friend of mine started going bald cos he smoked to much pot
 
 
 
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         |  weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-24 09:43 [#00712859] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to dan7250: #00712680
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 | thats a load of bull 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-05-24 09:46 [#00712864] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | Can Pot Lead To Insanity? 
 hopefully not
 
 
 
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         |  Anus_Presley
             on 2003-05-24 09:59 [#00712881] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker
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 | i think it can in people who have a defective gene. but not in norrmal people
 
 
 
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         |  rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-24 10:00 [#00712882] Points: 7983 Status: Lurker
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 | im more worried about my nads :/ 
 
 
 
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         |  plaidzebra
             from so long, xlt on 2003-05-24 10:18 [#00712904] Points: 5678 Status: Lurker
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 | will smoking pot cause you to go permanently insane? 
 short answer, no with a but....
 
 long answer, yes with an if....
 
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-24 10:23 [#00712908] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker
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 | A much more reliable way to go insane is to avoid food and sleep. I think you can pemanently damage your
 neurochemistry, or at least trigger an underlying problem,
 by doing this. I've watched it happen several times. Of
 course not eating or sleeping could be a symptom more than a
 cause... IANAMD
 
 In any case you should avoid marijuana. It makes you
 chronically stupid and lazy.
 
 
 
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         |  weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-24 10:26 [#00712910] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #00712908
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 | In any case you should avoid TV. It makes you chronically stupid and lazy.
 
 In any case you should avoid donuts. It makes you
 chronically stupid and lazy.
 
 In any case you should avoid being alive. It makes you
 chronically stupid and lazy.
 
 my work here is done
 
 
 
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         |  plaidzebra
             from so long, xlt on 2003-05-24 10:26 [#00712911] Points: 5678 Status: Lurker
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 | it's important to recognize that many sources of information about the effects of cannabis on humans are fueled by
 unacknowledged political motivations.  a good reference for
 information is "marijuana myths marijuana facts" by lynn
 zimmer, phd and john morgan, md.  it is concerned with
 scientific evidence and dispenses with the urban myths and
 rumor mongering.
 is cannabis bad for you?  the answer is, "who are you?"
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-24 10:36 [#00712919] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to weatheredstoner: #00712910
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 | Ladies and gentlemen, this is your brain on drugs. 
 When you "come down" from your "reefer buzz", you may notice
 that television and donuts actually do make you
 chronically stupid and lazy, whereas dead people are much
 less active and intelligent than the living.
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-24 10:36 [#00712920] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #00712919
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 | My god this avatar is making me nasty 
 
 
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         |  weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-24 10:38 [#00712922] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker
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 | my point is marijuana doesn't make you stupid and lazy. YOU make yourself stupid and lazy.
 
 
 
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         |  Monoid
             from one source all things depend on 2003-05-24 10:39 [#00712923] Points: 11012 Status: Lurker
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 | Pot is Illegal !! Do not smoke it ! Take DXM instead suckka !
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-24 10:41 [#00712924] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to weatheredstoner: #00712922
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 | The addict will blame everything and anything but the substance that enslaves him.
 
 
 
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         |  diablo
             on 2003-05-24 10:43 [#00712926] Points: 3242 Status: Lurker
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 | When I first met you, didn't realize I can't forget you, for your surprise
 you introduced me, to my mind
 And left me wanting, you and your kind
 
 I love you, Oh you know it
 
 My life was empty, forever on a down
 Until you took me, showed me around
 My life is free now, my life is clear
 I love you sweet leaf, though you can't hear
 
 Come on now, try it out
 
 Straight people don't know, what you're about
 They put you down and shut you out
 you gave to me a new belief
 and soon the world will love you sweet leaf
 
 
 
 
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         |  pachi
             from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-24 10:45 [#00712929] Points: 8984 Status: Lurker
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 | i've done no drugs my whole life, and quite frankly i'm
 proud of it. nothing's gonna change me now. ;)
 
 
 
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         |  weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-24 10:50 [#00712937] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #00712924
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 | The addict will blame everything and anything but the substance that enslaves him.
 
 That is also not true. Thats like killing someone and you
 blame the gun for it. The point is, the murderer is at
 fault, not the gun he used.
 
 
 
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         |  diablo
             on 2003-05-24 10:52 [#00712940] Points: 3242 Status: Lurker
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 | *whispers* try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try
 it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it try it
 try it try it... hehehe! ;)
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-24 10:53 [#00712941] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to weatheredstoner: #00712937
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 | Don't be facile. I'm not on a crusade against a plant species here.
 
 
 
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             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-24 10:59 [#00712950] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #00712941
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