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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:15 [#00509252]
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Theists claim that there is a supernatural supreme being that they call God.
What is the best way to investigate this claim?
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-01-10 08:18 [#00509255]
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Get one of them to kill themselves....and come back here and post the findings as a ghost or spirit!
:P
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:19 [#00509256]
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Funkmaster, are you up to it?
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xceque
on 2003-01-10 08:20 [#00509257]
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I rather suspect that if it was easy to prove the existence of God, someone would have done it before the messageboard was written.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-10 08:20 [#00509258]
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Once we start making spaceships like the ones in Star Trek, then we'll go and hunt the fucker down.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-01-10 08:21 [#00509259]
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Step 1- Die.
Step-2- See what ACTUALLY happens.
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xceque
on 2003-01-10 08:22 [#00509260]
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Of course, if God does exist you'd have thought he'd pop up from time to time and say "hi, just checking how you're getting on, lads" and "I'm sure I put some ozone around there somewhere..."
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-10 08:22 [#00509261]
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Anyone else noticed the eery comparison betweer the first of the ten commandments and the way Bill Gates runs Microsoft?
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KEYFUMBLER
from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-01-10 08:27 [#00509265]
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i am god
bless you all
especially you bill_hicks... of you i am especially proud.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-01-10 08:30 [#00509269]
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You are not God....he has a white beard! Or is that Santa...??
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:32 [#00509271]
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Oh come on, there must be a test that doesn't involve killing oneself or building large dangerous spacecraft.
What do you think of prayer? Various Christians have told me that I should pray about it and God would answer me or give me a sign.
Well I did, and nothing happened.
Does that mean there's no God?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-10 08:33 [#00509272]
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wow!
we'll solve the age-old problem IN THIS THREAD!!
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:34 [#00509275]
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The age old problem was solved ages ago. I'm just trying to share my buttery pearls of wisdom with the unwashed masses.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-01-10 08:35 [#00509276]
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Actually I've been building such as device in my back yard......any voluteers?
:)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-10 08:36 [#00509278]
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We can test it when I come down on Sunday- that'll settle it once and for all.
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xceque
on 2003-01-10 08:36 [#00509279]
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prayer may convince you, but it's hardly proof.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-01-10 08:39 [#00509280]
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Its a deal!
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KEYFUMBLER
from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-01-10 08:47 [#00509291]
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its solved already. God is a human-centered intangable construct developed for the purposes of control, and to instill some sense of worth where the human condition seems insurmountable. It is, like someone here says, akin to Santa Claus.Its about time it got phased out and we realised everything we want, hope for and ream of is with us now. Paradise is here and we´re fucking it up.......... carefull education with a slow encouraging of a belief in the human spirit and a realisation that culture and cistoms can stll be relevant is the way to go. Otherwise, the likes of the extreme muslims, and the yanks with fucking kill us all.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 09:25 [#00509347]
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Okay, enough of this philosophical gibberish. I want mug shots, fingerprints, urine samples, organs in jars, angel corpses on slabs.
I WANT PROOF MOTHERFUCKERS!
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-01-10 09:27 [#00509353]
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I wonder if god surfs this board? you think he'd use pseudonym? I'm kinda suspicious of the user 'god'. something tells me that's not really him.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-01-10 09:28 [#00509354]
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who thinks god is a fairytale...
i do! i do!
who thinks god is made up to make people obey the rules...
i do! i do!
who wont get past petrus' gates...
i do...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 09:31 [#00509359]
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When reason fails, the theist inevitably turns to threats.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-01-10 09:34 [#00509363]
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1666 points!!!
i know what you're up to..
you wont get my soul!
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 09:37 [#00509367]
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You better convene the inquisitors and burn me at the stake before I defile any more pure souls. :-)
and i was like bone bone bone
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-10 10:13 [#00509415]
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The only proof I need of God's existence is the proof of Godel's Incompleteness theorem.
I consider myself a Deist, by the way.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-01-10 10:16 [#00509419]
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Herre's all the prroof you need, look, i'm typing...
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 10:27 [#00509422]
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you can't just have something out of nothing....right? and it had to start somewhere according to logic... I'm too dumb to figure out how time, space, matter and all the natural laws started because they are the foundation of figuring something out. This doesn't prove that god exists but I do think there's something out there...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 10:40 [#00509430]
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What's nothing? Where do you get it from? Why would there be nothing, originally, rather than something?
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-01-10 10:54 [#00509438]
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yeah i was gonna say, who says nothing existed... thats a crrazy idea.
also i don't like the way ourr scientists seem to think they know sooooo damn much about everrything, its like looking into the past, it can't be done, we will neverr know forr surre. we arre small animals in a huge univerrse, we just got cleverr.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 11:00 [#00509443]
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nothing means: no time, no space, no matter and no physical laws.
what created time, space and matter? nothing can be without time, space and matter. Time itself can't be eternal because time defines it so it must have come out of nothing.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-10 11:02 [#00509444]
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Laserbeak, your avatar is great.
Go to a retirement home and interview some people fleetmouse. Try and pick out a few elderly people that look like they are still up on things and are intellegent, and ask them what they think about death. I have done this quite few times, and its really quite interesting. You get some really great perspective on things, and elderly people have much more time to think about these things, and have been around for a looong time, so you get into some good discussions. Be polite and kind, and non abriasive as you can, and youll get some intresesting discussion. Elderly people are a hell of a lot more tolerant and patient then younger people. So even more reason to talk with them.
Your answers are not going to be answered on here though, IMHO.
Try interviewing people who have been in a coma, or near death experiences, or even better, people who have been clinically dead for a short time, and then revieved. Thats when you can get some REALLY interesting perspectives, but people can dramatize things so be for warned.
There is no way to test if there is a god. Its all theoretical IMO.
When you die, you can see for yourself.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-01-10 11:02 [#00509445]
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time is a worrd, space was therre forreverr as was matterr, only humans werrnt.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-10 11:08 [#00509448]
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I like dicussing this kinda topic, because there is no way one idea is any more probable then the next, its all theoretical. Which is a really great thing, at least I think so. I find it wierd that all the religions that were created, since man existed, there has always been some idea of an afterlife of somekind. Especially when you think about cultures of people that have never even had contact with each other, who were from different parts of the globe.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2003-01-10 11:08 [#00509449]
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God is an absolute, therefore He can't have a beard.
He has and He has not a beard at the same time...
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 11:08 [#00509450]
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"time is a worrd"
it is, but it's not just a word, it's an essential factor in everything that can be.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-01-10 11:09 [#00509451]
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yeah and that was therre aswell.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-01-10 11:10 [#00509452]
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IT WAS ALL THERRE, THERRE IS NO MYSTERRY
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-10 11:12 [#00509455]
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why must time/space/matter have been created?
you make that assumption - but should you?
and yes, you do have a great avatar. :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-10 11:12 [#00509456]
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I thought "Grease" was the word.
or worrd.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-10 11:34 [#00509480]
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Grease Lightning!!!
ooo grease lightning.... oooo grease lightning... goooooooooooo!!!!!!
8^D
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-10 11:44 [#00509493]
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"Funkmaster, are you up to it?"
no, you can go ahead!
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 12:18 [#00509535]
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"why must time/space/matter have been created?"
because you can't say that they have existed eternally. Even eternity needs time to exist. It's a dead end.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:23 [#00509543]
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pussy
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-10 12:27 [#00509548]
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heh, there you go...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:28 [#00509551]
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pUSSY IS PROOF OF gOD?
I AM INCLINED TO AGGREEEEEE
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-10 12:31 [#00509558]
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get a life...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:36 [#00509564]
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Oh come on Funkmaster. Loosen up and have some fun, after all you can't spell Funkmaster without FUN!
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2003-01-10 12:44 [#00509574]
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you can't just have something out of nothing
and it had to start somewhere according to logic.
So who made God?
Logically he had to have started somewhere..
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:50 [#00509581]
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"No, God is transcendent and exists outside of causality. You with your tiny human brain can never comprehend that."
"The rules don't apply to God 'cause he made the rules."
- from Fleetmouse's Pocket Guite to Theological Weaseling
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2003-01-10 12:52 [#00509585]
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take the first affirmation and substitute God with universe, and there you go...
No need for God....
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