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How do we test the God hypothesis?
 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:15 [#00509252]
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Theists claim that there is a supernatural supreme being
that they call God.

What is the best way to investigate this claim?


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2003-01-10 08:18 [#00509255]
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Get one of them to kill themselves....and come back here and
post the findings as a ghost or spirit!

:P


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:19 [#00509256]
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Funkmaster, are you up to it?


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-10 08:20 [#00509257]
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I rather suspect that if it was easy to prove the existence
of God, someone would have done it before the messageboard
was written.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-10 08:20 [#00509258]
Points: 10836 Status: Lurker



Once we start making spaceships like the ones in Star Trek,
then we'll go and hunt the fucker down.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-01-10 08:21 [#00509259]
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Step 1- Die.

Step-2- See what ACTUALLY happens.


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-10 08:22 [#00509260]
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Of course, if God does exist you'd have thought he'd pop up
from time to time and say "hi, just checking how you're
getting on, lads" and "I'm sure I put some ozone around
there somewhere..."


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-10 08:22 [#00509261]
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Anyone else noticed the eery comparison betweer the first of
the ten commandments and the way Bill Gates runs Microsoft?


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-01-10 08:27 [#00509265]
Points: 5696 Status: Lurker



i am god

bless you all

especially you bill_hicks... of you i am especially proud.



 

offline Jedi Chris on 2003-01-10 08:30 [#00509269]
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You are not God....he has a white beard! Or is that
Santa...??


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:32 [#00509271]
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Oh come on, there must be a test that doesn't involve
killing oneself or building large dangerous spacecraft.

What do you think of prayer? Various Christians have told me
that I should pray about it and God would answer me or give
me a sign.

Well I did, and nothing happened.

Does that mean there's no God?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-10 08:33 [#00509272]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



wow!

we'll solve the age-old problem IN THIS THREAD!!


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 08:34 [#00509275]
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The age old problem was solved ages ago. I'm just trying to
share my buttery pearls of wisdom with the unwashed masses.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2003-01-10 08:35 [#00509276]
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Actually I've been building such as device in my back
yard......any voluteers?

:)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-10 08:36 [#00509278]
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We can test it when I come down on Sunday- that'll settle it
once and for all.


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-10 08:36 [#00509279]
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prayer may convince you, but it's hardly proof.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2003-01-10 08:39 [#00509280]
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Its a deal!


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-01-10 08:47 [#00509291]
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its solved already. God is a human-centered intangable
construct developed for the purposes of control, and to
instill some sense of worth where the human condition seems
insurmountable. It is, like someone here says, akin to Santa
Claus.Its about time it got phased out and we realised
everything we want, hope for and ream of is with us now.
Paradise is here and we´re fucking it up.......... carefull
education with a slow encouraging of a belief in the human
spirit and a realisation that culture and cistoms can stll
be relevant is the way to go. Otherwise, the likes of the
extreme muslims, and the yanks with fucking kill us all.




 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 09:25 [#00509347]
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Okay, enough of this philosophical gibberish. I want mug
shots, fingerprints, urine samples, organs in jars, angel
corpses on slabs.

I WANT PROOF MOTHERFUCKERS!


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-01-10 09:27 [#00509353]
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I wonder if god surfs this board? you think he'd use
pseudonym? I'm kinda suspicious of the user 'god'.
something tells me that's not really him.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-01-10 09:28 [#00509354]
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who thinks god is a fairytale...

i do! i do!

who thinks god is made up to make people obey the rules...

i do! i do!

who wont get past petrus' gates...

i do...


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 09:31 [#00509359]
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When reason fails, the theist inevitably turns to threats.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-01-10 09:34 [#00509363]
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1666 points!!!

i know what you're up to..

you wont get my soul!


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 09:37 [#00509367]
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You better convene the inquisitors and burn me at the stake
before I defile any more pure souls. :-)

and i was like bone bone bone


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-10 10:13 [#00509415]
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The only proof I need of God's existence is the proof of
Godel's Incompleteness theorem.

I consider myself a Deist, by the way.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-01-10 10:16 [#00509419]
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Herre's all the prroof you need, look, i'm typing...


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 10:27 [#00509422]
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you can't just have something out of nothing....right? and
it had to start somewhere according to logic... I'm too dumb
to figure out how time, space, matter and all the natural
laws started because they are the foundation of figuring
something out. This doesn't prove that god exists but I do
think there's something out there...


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 10:40 [#00509430]
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What's nothing? Where do you get it from? Why would there be
nothing, originally, rather than something?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-01-10 10:54 [#00509438]
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yeah i was gonna say, who says nothing existed... thats a
crrazy idea.

also i don't like the way ourr scientists seem to think they
know sooooo damn much about everrything, its like looking
into the past, it can't be done, we will neverr know forr
surre. we arre small animals in a huge univerrse, we just
got cleverr.


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 11:00 [#00509443]
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nothing means: no time, no space, no matter and no physical
laws.

what created time, space and matter? nothing can be without
time, space and matter. Time itself can't be eternal because
time defines it so it must have come out of nothing.


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-10 11:02 [#00509444]
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Laserbeak, your avatar is great.

Go to a retirement home and interview some people
fleetmouse. Try and pick out a few elderly people that look
like they are still up on things and are intellegent, and
ask them what they think about death. I have done this quite
few times, and its really quite interesting. You get some
really great perspective on things, and elderly people have
much more time to think about these things, and have been
around for a looong time, so you get into some good
discussions. Be polite and kind, and non abriasive as you
can, and youll get some intresesting discussion. Elderly
people are a hell of a lot more tolerant and patient then
younger people. So even more reason to talk with them.

Your answers are not going to be answered on here though,
IMHO.

Try interviewing people who have been in a coma, or near
death experiences, or even better, people who have been
clinically dead for a short time, and then revieved. Thats
when you can get some REALLY interesting perspectives, but
people can dramatize things so be for warned.

There is no way to test if there is a god. Its all
theoretical IMO.

When you die, you can see for yourself.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-01-10 11:02 [#00509445]
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time is a worrd, space was therre forreverr as was matterr,
only humans werrnt.


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-10 11:08 [#00509448]
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I like dicussing this kinda topic, because there is no way
one idea is any more probable then the next, its all
theoretical. Which is a really great thing, at least I think
so. I find it wierd that all the religions that were
created, since man existed, there has always been some idea
of an afterlife of somekind. Especially when you think about
cultures of people that have never even had contact with
each other, who were from different parts of the globe.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-10 11:08 [#00509449]
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God is an absolute, therefore He can't have a beard.

He has and He has not a beard at the same time...


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 11:08 [#00509450]
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"time is a worrd"

it is, but it's not just a word, it's an essential factor in
everything that can be.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-01-10 11:09 [#00509451]
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yeah and that was therre aswell.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-01-10 11:10 [#00509452]
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IT WAS ALL THERRE, THERRE IS NO MYSTERRY


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-10 11:12 [#00509455]
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why must time/space/matter have been created?

you make that assumption - but should you?

and yes, you do have a great avatar. :)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-10 11:12 [#00509456]
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I thought "Grease" was the word.

or worrd.


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-10 11:34 [#00509480]
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Grease Lightning!!!

ooo grease lightning.... oooo grease lightning...
goooooooooooo!!!!!!

8^D



 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-10 11:44 [#00509493]
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"Funkmaster, are you up to it?"

no, you can go ahead!


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-10 12:18 [#00509535]
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"why must time/space/matter have been created?"

because you can't say that they have existed eternally. Even
eternity needs time to exist. It's a dead end.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:23 [#00509543]
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pussy


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-10 12:27 [#00509548]
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heh, there you go...


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:28 [#00509551]
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pUSSY IS PROOF OF gOD?

I AM INCLINED TO AGGREEEEEE


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-10 12:31 [#00509558]
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get a life...



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:36 [#00509564]
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Oh come on Funkmaster. Loosen up and have some fun, after
all you can't spell Funkmaster without FUN!



 

offline Iroel from Pisa (Italy) on 2003-01-10 12:44 [#00509574]
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you can't just have something out of nothing

and
it had to start somewhere according to logic.


So who made God?

Logically he had to have started somewhere..



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-10 12:50 [#00509581]
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"No, God is transcendent and exists outside of causality.
You with your tiny human brain can never comprehend that."

"The rules don't apply to God 'cause he made the rules."

- from Fleetmouse's Pocket Guite to Theological Weaseling


 

offline Iroel from Pisa (Italy) on 2003-01-10 12:52 [#00509585]
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take the first affirmation and substitute God with universe,
and there you go...

No need for God....


 


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