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THE point is that we don't underrstand space, YOU don't underrstand space, you can't assume that therre was nothing at one point. the thing that gets me is that space maybe unlimited, it neverr ends ARRRRRRRRGH *head implodes* |
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maybe time is a giant repeating loop. a big hula hoop that needs no start or end cos it just repeats itself endlessley |
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well it's like a three dimensional cartesian rapresentation... |
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I'll take your advice, and relax... funny points there... :) but, why should a supernatural being follow our logic? How can you try and logically prove whether God exists or doesn't, a being that is all powerful, following logic that our limited minds understand? So yes, people who believe in God always seem to say, as you stated, that God is beyond the rules... but people who don't try and prove that point with the limited amount of knowledge and understanding that we have... on both sides it comes down to a strong faith in something... either science or the supernatural... |
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yes, that is the most logical-sounding explanation (and after all, the circle is a well-accepted symbol for infinity). But who knows? :-/ The anwser might be too complicated for our tiny human brains to understand. |
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"So who made God?" I didn't mention god at all... I'm not sure of the whole god thing at all. Maybe there are some extra factors like other dimensions, etc... |
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It's like when inverted whale said that Godel's incompleteness thorem is all the proof of God that he needs. Wrong, because saying that you can't guess what is outside the box is an admission of ignorance, not a positive statement about what could potentially be there. You can't frame and defend an argument exclusively with "what if". At some point you need to come up with some positive evidence, or else the thing is nonsense and should be pulled out and inflated only for the amusement of close personal friends. I mean, maybe God is an insect! You can't prove it isn't so, so maybe you better start worshiping insects, right? It all comes back to that definition of "argument from ignorance": lack of evidence is not evidence!!!! And here I go getting all serious after telling you to have fun... :-) Friday, time for beer! |
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"why should a supernatural being follow our logic?" Well why a supernatural being should exist at all... |
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well according to our logic I guess maybe it wouldn't... but that's assuming our logic is right!! |
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Why then believe in one God and not many Gods as the Greeks did? And by the way If we assume that our logic is not right then, all we are left with is pragmatism I believe... Believe in whatever it works... Science always worked better than religion till now, so even in this case there is no reason to believe in it... |
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Or nihilism, just don`t believe in anything, because your mind will only pull tricks on you... |
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Or solipsism, the belief that what is true for you subjectively is absolutely true. If you close your eyes the moon ceases to exist. |
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I guess it all comes down to a choice, of what to believe... and then you put faith in that choice... |
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true...true... |
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AAAAAAAAH!!!!!!! :: tears hair out :: WHAT ABOUT EVIDENCE?!?!?!?!? |
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fleetmouse: you are arguing with someone which says that he believes just because he wants to believe... Is there a point to ask for evidence or a reason? |
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nah, evidence doesn't matter... ;) |
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"It's like when inverted whale said that Godel's incompleteness thorem is all the proof of God that he needs. Wrong, because saying that you can't guess what is outside the box is an admission of ignorance, not a positive statement about what could potentially be there." There's no "guessing" in the theorem, it deals simply with proof. If you take the theorem literally, you are probably correct. I prefer a more light-hearted realization that our Creator is probably off playing snooker somewhere and we should be doing the same rather than thinking too much about it. |
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well it's not that I view evidence as unimportant, it's just that don't really see how the logic, and workings of this world, can be used to provide evidence for the existance of something NOT of this world... I have this view with the idea of finding intelligent life in other parts of the universe as well... scientists use criteria based on our necessities as living beings to try and determine the probability of living creatures existing somewhere else... we require water, but to an alien somewhere, water might be poison... |
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religion is a bout doing, not about talking. it's a decision and not a question of believing something or not or trust or whatever. |
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and i for myself decided not to believe in the catholic god, though i feel that something is missing. but i don't wanna fill it with the meaningless gibberish our local (catholic) curch offers |
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you knew I'd show up eventually.. :-) Evidence is as useless as faith in trying to prove arguments pro or against God. I put very little faith in human research once it stretches beyond immediate physics and stuff like that. Trying to prove or disprove God is almost like trying to prove evolution. I don't think you can prove or disprove God, it's a waste of time. Someone will always come up with an explanation of why some part of the reseach was invalid by tomorrow's standards. I think by using purely empirical evidence and human research it would be easier to find that God doesn't exist. But then, since when was human research flawless in the first place? It's a age old wild goose chase that so long as we are people and not omniscient beings we will never get to the end of. That being said, I believe in God, but I couldn't prove to you why I think he exists. Evidence is subjective anyway when it comes to matters like this. Either way, I am a Christian and I think that following the teachings of Christ has more benefits than drawbacks. If ignorant peons like me want to believe in it then I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. I just think that the burden of proof isn't just on the theists. |
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Well first of all: Evolution is proven... I just think that the burden of proof isn't just on the theists. Well it will be on us the day theists will come with a consistent definition of what is God... What leaves me perplex with theists saying that there are is no proof and no reason besides faith for believing is: Where do we draw the line between Religoius belief, BS and schizophrenia? |
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Ask him to kill you, at some point during your life he will :D |
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\ \ \ * Divine intervention * | | | | **** do not mingle in discussion **** **** topic unworthy **** |
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