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here to fax your MP, and tell him about your views. |
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ginge, Anti war equals complete docility (meaning 'please shit on me') in my view. You people are great at coming up with plenty of excuses to be anti war but its funny you know you never have any solutions do you? You see the lefties sitting on their arses with their skewed views debating about whether we should or shouldn't go to war plays exactly into the hands of tyrants like Hussein. Well what ever your view is or isn't as to whether this war is about democracy. It is for me about democracy: freeing the Iraqis from a murderous oppressor and freeing the Middle East region from the threat of an unstable and war making tyrant who’s already been to war with Iran and of course Kuwait (the Gulf War). |
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promo you really should STOP reading the Daily Mail. So do you want to invade every tyrant in the world? Whats so bad about Saddam, compared to the rest? Democracy my arse, its the oil (and the fragile American economy) that this war is about. |
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Promo: You show a complete lack of understanding of world politics and the intentions of the West. It is not a war for democracy otherwise we'd be going to war with China or Saudi Arabia (our closest ally in the middle east). "war making tyrant who’s already been to war with Iran" Yes, he went to war with Iran with our full backing!!! We armed him to fight a war against Iran (which had just had a revolution unfavourable to the US). And as for killing his own people, well why don't we do anything about Indonesia, China, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey... And secondly, the west was selling Saddam chemical and bio weapons DURING and AFTER his gassing of the Kurds. |
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Well said Jonesy. Another example of the right sitting on their chaise-longues, doing nothing but planning on what underdeveloped country to blow up next ;) |
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Anyone heard about the new political coca cola imitator? |
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I ask myself if any of these people rallying for war are prepared to get blood on their own hands. I suspect not. |
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Moving troops doesn't neccesarily mean war. Even being seen to be training troops/equipping tanks for desert fighting is quite likely to be purely to intimidate saddam... |
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You namby pamby lefties make me sick. Bush and Blair are doing everything in their power to prevent this war from happening. If Saddaam won't comply with their reasonable requests then we must attack. We can't have weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a tyrannical leader. He must be removed. And then we move on to North Korea. And any other commie bastards who try to stand in the way of democracy. |
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Oh, we're going to war alright. The Bush adminstration has said that if no evidence of WMD are found they will go in anyway. And we will be right behind them (with Balir's tongue in the US sphincter). |
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Err, he is complying and they STILL can't find these weapons. |
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We dont really need to intimidate Sadam at this point, thats not the motive here. We are the ones starting this bs so why do we need to intimidate him. Why in the hell would we need to do that? We're moving troops for the most obvious reason. War! |
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He's got WOMD alright. And even if he doesn't he will have soon. Right up his commie ass! |
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LOL What people seem to forget is that the US "beat" him in the previous war. This gives them the right to police them, check for weapons when they like, limit the size of their armies etc. much like allies & russia did to Germany following WW2. This idea that we should stay out of their affairs seems to forget that we won last time. That said, Bush is largely interested in petrol to keep their 5 litre engine cars going. |
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For those in California Namely a mouse who lives on the moon. ---------------------------------------------- Sat., Jan. 11: MASS MARCH AND RALLY in L.A. to STOP THE WAR! Assemble: 11:00 am Broadway and Olympic Blvds. March to the Downtown Federal Building ---------------------------------------------- SATURDAY January 18 In the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King: NATIONAL MARCHES TO STOP THE WAR Washington, DC and San Francisco Bus Details for Jan. 18 Mass March and Rally in SF Call now for tickets: Phone credit card payments are accepted. City or Area: ORANGE COUNTY Contact: Chuck Anderson Phone: (714) 956-5037 Phone 2: (213) 487-2368 Location: Fullerton Train Station Departure Time: 11:00 pm on Jan. 17th E-mail: fishynb@aol.com City or Area: LOS ANGELES Contact: Scott Scheffer Phone: (213) 487-2368 Phone 2: (213) 487-2458 Location: Hollman United Methodist Church, 3320 W. Adams St. Los Angeles Departure Time: 11:45 pm on Jan. 17th E-mail: la-answer@action-mail.org |
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He he, by a funny coeincedance I just checked my bulk mail box to find one titled "War with Iraq, yes or no? $50 for your opinion" |
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Are you honestly saying that Bush is prepared to massacre people and put his own people at risk just to get control of the oil? That's ridiculous. We live in dangerous times. We are under the constant threat of terrorism. We have to do something about it. And this is a good first step. And if we get control of the oil it'll be a bonus. |
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Why would you think Im forgetting that? Of course this war is motivated by our ever increasing need for oil. Btw what did "we" win exactly? We got sanctions. Woo Hoo! Didnt do us much good, besides starving a bunch of Iraqis and making Sadam have to sell a few of his many mantions. If Im not making any sense it is probably because I just came from a anti-war rally pre-party. But this is no joke. *burp* |
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But Saddam is not involved in terrorism. |
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Bush is'nt fighting in the trenches. What the fuck does he care what will happen. Terrorism! Hes riding the terrorism train all the way to the bank. Straight to Petrolium Central Station. |
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So is half the fucking world, Gee. I wonder why we're so interested in Iraq. |
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Sorry. I didnt see the "not" in your message. Im jumping the gun here. |
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I said "NOT involved in terrorism". |
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You know him personally then I take it? What about him killing his son in law for defecting after he'd promised he would be free to visit? |
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I know, You must have not read my last reply yet. But whos to say he doesnt fund it. Thats not the real issue here. If Bush thinks hes going to stop terrorism by taking Iraq off the map hes mistaken. But thats not really what hes after anyway. He just wants us to think thatll solve the problem. Meanwhile hes stiking deals with the new regime for oil rights. Theres a lot of propaganda out there. Next time you play SOCOM or Dessert Storm, try to think of all the underlined reasons for the game's conception. *burp* |
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Why do you need to "know someone personally" to know if they are a terrorist? I'm not defending him, but he's not a terrorist. |
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Don't be so naive. They're all at it. Don't trust a single one of them. The minute they bombed the wtc and killed all those beautiful wonderful heroes they signed their own death warrant. |
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"They're all at it". Who is that? |
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Yes he is certainly a wacko! And his sons are even crazier. But as far as US policy goes, If your crazy thats fine. But if your crazy and you have something we want then thats not okay. *belch* |
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Exactly. How do you explain our support for him as a bulwark against Islamic Iran in the 1980s? It was a case of, "He's an animal but he's our animal". I don't want my government run that way. |
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He was working for us back then :) |
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There are terrorists all around the world. In nearly every nation. Its not that hard of a concept to grasp. Where there are people, there are those who will use violence to express their beliefs. If those beliefs are moral or not is something relative. |
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And that's OK with you? You are happy your government operate in such a way? |
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My comment was addressed to Ceri. sorry for the confusion. But terrorism is not about values, whether by a state or group. Its about peconomic and political interests. |
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I dont know what your asking exaclty. But I think the last statement I made would some what clarify things. Ceri JC. You da man! |
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I think Im skipping a beat here. You are one response ahead of me. :S |
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Labour government, not my government mate ;) |
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usa is mistaking the way |
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Wh are you telling me that? I know that already. Are you talking to me? Its quite handy to use the name: and then the colon mark to adress multiple induviduals in a single message. |
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A Tory government armed and funded him and now a Labour government (who complicit in the Tory's actions) want to get rid of him. But it is your government as it is an institution that is menat to be an arena for your to excercise your democratic rights. Apparently. |
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You're drunk! :) |
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Im left, but I dont really know how far that end of the spectrum extends. What defines extreme left. Not far left. Way out left. Like left so far around it came back from the right. I should really stop drinking. |
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I would really like to know more about the UK's politics. I do read some British news papers. But then I think, why? |
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Follow left or right all the way and you end up with a totalitarian state. That's why I think of left and right as a circle rather than a line- past a point you start moving back towards the other. |
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It's like yours, but funnier as half the politicians are all old aristocrats and drunk. IT's great to watch them shouting at each other on TV with all the old boys asleep at the back :) |
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Those who are not with us are against us |
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Hence the word "around". There really is no left in my opinion. Or right for that matter. Theyre both just two seperate large collectives of ideas that happen to be in majority. I just figure why not pigion-hole myslef, its easier for most people to understand me that way. jonsey: I am drunk, howd you guess? I actually thought peconomics might have been a word untill I looked it up. haha. |
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OK Bill, I'm against you then. I'm against war, full stop. I want a world of peace, not bombs. I think that the UK, as well as the US Govts have much better things to spend their money on than what could be a lengthy and expensive conflict. I suppose that makes me a loony leftie, or some washed up old hippy doesn't it? |
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Are you refering to the "evil doers?" Bush should write for comic books if you ask me, which you didnt. |
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26?! You old hippy geezer, get the hell out of here. Churchill isnt in office anymore. :) |
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