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offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 11:34 [#00502486]
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i have made a bunch of sounds etc on different apparatus,
and now i'd like to get them into my comp and make a track.
i was planning to record all the stuff to as wav, but what
software is best for combining them to make a track? O:)
i don't know the 'correct' way of doing this so don't laugh
me out. i just want to make a tune (don't worry, i wont be
spamming it here when it is done!)

if there is some good software, preferably free and non-ms,
please enlighten me. i'm a hardware girl i am; i only know
how to use gadgets, not software :o


 

offline Diao from Olathe (United States) on 2003-01-05 11:36 [#00502487]
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The correct way is to use Fruity Loops.

Fruity Loops


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2003-01-05 11:37 [#00502489]
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Fruity Loops



 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 11:37 [#00502490]
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do not use Fruity Loops.

use Cubase.

it looks harder than FL, but it can be as hard as you want
it to be (oo-er!). it provides more diversity than FL.


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 11:39 [#00502494]
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thought you meant Abusive_Waffle when i read this topic's
name..
..and professional help in that case.. :) :P


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-05 11:40 [#00502495]
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I really have no idea how to use Cubase. Do you know where I
could find a good tutorial ?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 11:40 [#00502496]
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LET IT GO ALREADY!!

you're getting obsessed!


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 11:41 [#00502498]
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umm i thought fruity loops was for making loops etc. oh
well, thing you learn


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 11:42 [#00502499]
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*let's it go*
*nice and easy..*
*nice and slow..*


 

offline Binaural Tea from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2003-01-05 11:43 [#00502502]
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no more floops


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-05 11:43 [#00502503]
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I don't know if cubase will work on Linux, and it's
definitely not free.
Unfortunately I don't use Linux, so I've no idea what might
be of use. Do a google for "linux mod tracker" or "linux
music tracker" or some such variant


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 11:45 [#00502504]
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mm. I don't know. I kind of figured it out myself. and I
know Bremzen and he has used just about every version of
Cubase ever released - that helps :P


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 11:45 [#00502505]
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oh, i'm on windows 2k now, for warez and music making
purposes


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2003-01-05 11:46 [#00502507]
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Cubase is just a sequncer, you still need some kind of
Software Drumcomputer....or am I wrong !?


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-05 11:48 [#00502509]
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bah, you girlies! always changing your minds! ;)

You could try modplug tracker
I've downloaded it myself and am planning to use it, but
haven't started yet.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 11:51 [#00502514]
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thanks xceque, that looks quite nice, i'll try it out. now
that i'm on win, i can finally feel the joy of soulseek :)
didn't have room for this computer really so now my position
is the most unergonomic ever

monoid: software drum computer? i make drums on little
gadgets, i only need to record them.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 11:52 [#00502519]
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very good neetta - DON'T use drumcomputers. those sounds are
boring as hell. make your own sounds!!


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-05 11:58 [#00502525]
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cool. actually i think there is a linux version of soulseek
now. is your soulseek id same as your xltronic id?


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-05 11:59 [#00502529]
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Ho, well, I think I'm going to stick to my Fruityloops+Cool
Edit combo.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 12:00 [#00502531]
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it is my overall net id so yes. linux and soulseek just
don't feel right


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-05 12:05 [#00502540]
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well, i added you to my own soulseek list, so feel free to
grab items from me if you wish. if you still have that old
email re the Fantastic Planet divx you should have my
soulseek id in there (mums the word!)


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 12:07 [#00502546]
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i unfortunately don't have it, my other email is down. msg
me there so i'll get your name ok?


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-05 12:19 [#00502563]
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cubase and reason are good for music making, its mostly what
I use to make my choons, try lots of demo's out, and see
which one you like the best, personal preference and opinion
are what make people choose their software...

if your working with external hardware, check out logic,
its midi control is really good... if your doing some audio
editing, check protools, because it owns at editing audio
and the TDM plug ins are really high quality, but expensive
(or not if your pirating..), if you want a mixture of both
check out cubase or cakewalk.....

Also, if you have sounds you want to import to your
computer, from a synth, drum machine, mini disc or
whatever... you need some kind of audio interface, or a
sound card, something...

the usb audiophile made by M-Audio is a pretty good IO
device, there are loads to choose from though, if you do a
search on google.com, for audio interfaces, you should find
all kinds.

Reason and Fruityloops are pretty much the same kinda thing,
except fruity has vst support, reason has rewire, so you can
sync it up to a sequencer, cubase, logic... whatever.... its
good for comming up with ideas, and having an all in one
digital production suit.

If you allready have drums and synth's and all that jazz...
I say go for a sequencer like Logic, Protools, or Cubase,
you can arrange your sounds from their and add some dsp on
them with vst's.

Hope this helps some, YEEEEE HAAAAAAW!@!


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 12:20 [#00502566]
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this is all too hard :o


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-05 12:22 [#00502568]
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Oh, oops, I forgot, Live and Acid are good for sequencing
your own sounds, I like Live a little more, those are great
for sequencing audio too.

Check all the programs you can though and see which one/s
you like...

Live, Reason, Cubase, Logic are my favorite sequencing
programs I think.



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-01-05 12:35 [#00502586]
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im looking for a good cubase tutorial too....

.....anyone?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 12:37 [#00502589]
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people always go for FLoops because it LOOKS the easiest.

I still say - the other programs only have to be as hard as
you want them to be.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-05 12:43 [#00502594]
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In simple terms, Download floops, hacked or demo, doesnt
matter your still new.

Next youll want to dl a wave editor, dont start to big.
Freeware could do the job for you. Audacity or Cool Edit.
This will help you export the wave you need to import into
floops step sequencer. Its just drop and drag on to the
channels once you have the wave sample saved.

Learn how to use the 'patterns' and the 'pattern sequencer'.
Also get familiar with the 'song settings' option. You will
be able to increase the size of the sequencer with that.

Thats pretty much all youll need to now for a first time
composition. Dont try to get too caught up in all the pro
software. It will just confuse you more.



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-01-05 12:51 [#00502606]
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i regret NOT trying harder 'pro' level software and just
sticking to fruityloops cus its easier......
....i wish i took the time to learn it properly right
away.... qrter said, its not that hard and the really
advanced functions you probably wont even want to use right
now anyway.....

.......if everything is new to you right now and youre going
to be learning no matter what, you might as well learn
something more serious, it makes more sense in the long run
IMO

...fruity loops is easy to learn, ive been using it for like
a year or two.... and NOW, im trying to make myself learn
(im very lazy you see) Cubase, Sonar 2, Logic and so on, all
the really powerful 'pro' software...... if i just learnt
them in the first place, when i was new to computer music in
general.... well, it would make more sense in teh long run
thats all


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-01-05 13:02 [#00502619]
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My points clearly laid out:

Not everyone thinks this way.
I know how overwhelming these things can be.
If she needs more help she knows where to go.
This thread isnt a front to parade your production
knowledge.
No offense to you A minimal, youve always been a good guy.



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-01-05 13:14 [#00502635]
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......i wasn't 'parading my production knowlege'.... more
like the opposite

...i was just saying i regret NOT knowing all the advanced
stuff, because ive just stuck with fruityloops

....in the long run it might be worth the extra effort now
to learn more advanced software now is all im saying.....


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 13:23 [#00502647]
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when i'm a big star i'll buy you both some tea


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-05 13:23 [#00502649]
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Like dolleater said, this CAN be really daunting at times,
but dont let it get you down.

Get an audio in interface, a basic sound editor of somekind
, get a somewhat simple sequencing app (id recommend, Live,
fruityloops or reason....) that works for you, and work from
there.



 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-05 13:29 [#00502666]
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Come on, people, everyone knows that E-jay is the best...


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 13:31 [#00502668]
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your comment nealr insults me :)


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 13:32 [#00502671]
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nearly. sorry my typos.


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-05 13:35 [#00502676]
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I'm sorry I hurted your sensibility. Will you forgive me one
day ?


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-05 13:40 [#00502686]
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only if you pay in cash via paypal dariusgriffin

;*)


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-05 13:48 [#00502695]
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hmm... ok if you choose between reason and fruityloops, i
recommend fruityloops, at the first time it looks shitty,
but you will see...

reason is the greatest shit i ever saw, you have to use
another hostsequencer like cubase or logic to use some VST
plug ins oder VSTi modules. go with fruityloops or a
tracker, like buzz or madtracker ... or record your stuff at
wavelab or soundforge to wav ... edit them in a loop prog
like fruityloops or recycle (speed, pitch) and bounce it
with markers .... sounds terrible i know ... "AND JUST MAKE
IT FOR YOU!"


 

offline map from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-01-05 13:51 [#00502698]
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you = yourself

yes i know ...


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-05 13:55 [#00502700]
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heh, thank you all for advice, expect dariusgriffin :D
ps. i don't accept paypal but a check is nice


 

offline bryce_berny from chronno (Canada) on 2003-01-05 15:50 [#00502763]
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if you get cubase SX it comes with a getting started
tutorial and a manual that basically covers everything that
the program is capable of
I think that cubase sx is a fantastic piece of software and
would recommend it to anyone interested in messing around
with software


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-05 15:54 [#00502767]
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second that.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-01-05 16:08 [#00502775]
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actually neetta if all you want to do is combine things into
a track, why not go with Cool Edit Pro? it's really easy to
mix paste things together if that's what you want. CEP 1.2
is what i use cos i'm too impatient to learn the other
software i downloaded (slowly learning to make songs on
fruity loops tho). real simple and a relatively smaller
download than the others (especially Reason).


 


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