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twas joke |
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I was joking too; I wasn't squashed by a giant foot after all! :: does crazy atheist dance :: WOOOZLE WOOOZIE WEEEEEEE!!! (apologies to fellow mouse) |
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COOL-E-O! WHERE IS THE FUCKING SARCASM TAG!!!!! I WRITE TO THE WWW PEOPLE BUT THEY SEEM TO IGNORE MY REQUESTS!!!!!!!! DAMN IT ALL, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL! WOOOOZLE WOOOOSIE WEEEEEEE! *also dances the crazy atheist dance* why apologieze dood? CHOOSE LIFE! CHOOSE BANF! |
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My proposal for the sarcasm tag: <fleetmouse> </fleetmouse> |
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w00t! |
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oh right, God wants us to kill EVERYBODY. way to take scripture out of context to suit your poorly constructed point. |
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My point, poorly constructed or not, is merely that if you actually read the Bible, God often doesn't seem particularly loving or even very bright. Though I do challenge you to explain/justify Numbers 31 in a way that doesn't make you feel like you need to take a shower. |
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of course. the Old Testament and the New Testament show a vastly different attitude. the Old Testament has lots of values, but it's mostly just explaining the story that leads up to the NT, which is what you should pay attention to. not the wrathful God of old. |
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Ah, the New Testament. "I used to be a blood drinking sociopath, but I got better." Or did he? Jesus fully endorses the Old Testament (with all of its absurdity and mindless butality) according to Matthew 5:17-19. Not one "jot or tittle" does he disavow. Remember, this is the fella that is supposedly all knowing and all powerful. Yet instead of directly forgiving us for our sins, he sends his son to earth to be tortured and killed, and uh somehow that makes things better...? ::shrug :: This is the best plan for salvation he could come up with? Mister, if that God thing really exists, no WAY is it the BIG boss. It's a tequila-swilling stock clerk sneaking off and xeroxing its ass at the celestial staff party. |
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i didn't say "disavow it", just look at it in context. i don't question God's intentions. |
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i don't question God's intentions. That's the problem, not the solution. |
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What if HE's wrong? I thought of a better question: What if HE-MAN's wrong? ;) |
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greyskull is NEVER wrong |
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I'm really tempted to switch to an Orko avatar. He's already wearing a party hat. |
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Masters of the Universe, it's the Devils' work i tell ye |
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Skeletor is just a thinly disguised Paul Lynde, so yes. |
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Yes! I've subverted the thread! My work here is done... ;) |
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titswerth is good comments make |
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I have the attention span of a guppy so that's no great accomplishment. |
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ram man is da man |
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no, the problem is people following the word of religious nuts, Bible thumpers, and liars, or misinterpreting the Bible. none of this has anything to do with trusting God. it's people who get it twisted (believers and non) who are the problem. |
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*ironic high five* |
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dont get it twisted yo! now lets get it all in perspective, for all yall enjoyment a song yall can step wit, yall apointed me to bring rap justice, but I aint 5-0, yall know its NAS yo! Grey goose and a whole lot of hydro! dont say my cars topless, say the titties is out you a slave to my page in my rhyme book this is street hop, now get up off your arse like your seats hot knocked a pimp straight down in his pimp cup, thats the way you get timbaland up females who are the sexiest are always the nastiest ..... NAS is gods son, for shizzle But I dont know, the homeless man I say was pretty god like. |
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There are basically three approaches to the bible: 1) You read it until you come to realize it's completely fucked up, vicious, absurd and self-contradictory. (atheism) 2) You read it until YOU are completely fucked up and the book looks sane from your now disfigured perspective. (fundyism) 3) You have your own huggy wuggy teddy bear ideas about what God and the bible are all about, and you disregard, downplay or rationalize away all the nasty stuff. (rainbow and unicorn christians, probably the largest category) |
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i can't take seriously the idea that the bible is the word of God. people can have religious experience, communion with God, write down the messages that came to them in the inspired state, but it is God filtered through that individual's genetics, life experience and cultural upbrining. the purest message of God is the one recieved personally. not that one can't learn from others' god-inspiration, like the bible. but i think it's unhealthy to object criticism of the bible. |
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The experience of God you're talking about is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about anthropomorphic old nobodaddy. Your God is more like an overwhelming intense moment of clarity when things come together and make sense and you''re enraptured by the beauty of it... maybe your mind personifies it as angels or spirit beings, as a way of making sense of something quite unusual. Of course when you try to record that insight, that transcendent experience, it is beyond words. You literally had to be there. Maybe humans (and other sapients) are all there is of intelligence in the universe, and God only exists for those flickering moments of enlightenment that are like a preview of what we could become. |
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if one is to take biblical concepts literally.. heaven above, hell below.. well, above is dark matter. the oceans came from beneath.. and the sun [fire] is what gives us life. thus, satan is our god. heh but the devil was conceived biblically too.. so that's a trap i havent read the bible |
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i havent read the bible It's one of the greatest works of fiction ever written. |
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i'll get around to it when i'm fully jaded. |
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who's the publisher? |
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lucifer. |
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yea, i have trouble taking it seriously either. most of it, i think, is authentic and righteous, but 1) this is God's word as interpreted by humans, who are by nature imperfect and, unfortunately, could take the opportunity to misconvey the message of God 2) the Bible has been translated so many times that with each new translation more of the meaning is loss. if there was a way for everyone to read the original edition of the Bible, free from errors in translation and so-called "modernizations", that'd be great (but still tainted by my point #1). |
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when mohomed was visited by angels and journeyed to the edge of the universe as is described, or when abraham was sent word from god, i have difficulty believing these experiences are that far off from my experiences with god. all religions have those who have faith in god as is tought to them, and those who seek mystical union with god. i've found myself (not sought) in union with god outside of any dogmatic system and so i interpret my experience not with a religious background but with a a broad view and desire to understand the experience as something universally present in humanity. the hasids describe a union with god not far off from my experience, as do the sufis of islam. the god that i know is not in fact different from the god that these prophets know, it's just a matter of interpretation of the experience, a matter of who you are when you come to realize god. |
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1. some - one? 2. true - point being? please elaborate |
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i think i'd have to agree with most of that, but i don't think humans are imperfect. |
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you think humans are perfect? i think the human body is beautiful and intricate, but humans aren't perfect if that's what you're sayin'... |
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it's a matter of realizing one's perfection. isn't that what jesus did? i guess if you believe he was special in a way that we cannot be, then you'd disagree. |
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everything follows those special laws of physics, down to your brain matter that perfectly reflects every single thought and emotion. nature, the entire universe is of divine perfection. |
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and we are nature |
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i think we should aspire to be like Jesus but, though he was molded to be like man, he was the son of God and thus special in a way we're not, like you suggested. but i do think our uniqueness makes us beautiful in a special way, and in a way that's perfection. and as i said before, our bodies are brilliantly designed. of course, if they were perfect, there wouldn't be hereditary disease and they'd be able to resist infection, etc. but i think i see what you mean. |
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yeah, there are different ways of looking at it. but maybe that which makes you think we're imperfect would not be if we all "woke up" from this "bad dream." shouldn't rule out possibilities. |
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Do you mean human body is more perfect than human mind? I must totally agree, with the note that in the 3-phase division of human nature the MOST perfect is the spiritual one. I love music, I love this girl who doesn't give a fuck about me. If you could only know what I feel, you'd understand I'm the most beautiful person you know. Add this up to the fact I'll roll off my sanity one day, and HEY, not much time left, i'd better stop writing and go find my love and maybe rape her and then kill myself ahhaha this is pointless wtf is this topic for me ahahhaha sorry everyone sorry |
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I think we both agree that people are having transcendent experiences with something powerful. (whether that something comes from within or without let's leave aside for the moment) I have a hard time calling it God or relating it to religion. The shapes into which tradition twists the aftermath of enlightenment are at once comical, sad and frightening. |
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no i don't think that at all. both are amazing; neither are perfect. |
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How do you define perfection? |
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my point was that, whether or not you like to call this experience god or a mere internal experience, my experience is not something special that doesn't relate to these experiences that religious people have. i'm quite confident that if you were to measure the brain happenings in me and in some whirling dervish, there could be found a common ground. or, you can simply take my word that when i read accounts of sufi mysticism it becomes obvious beyond doubt that the experience is not different. *painfully leaves aside explaination of the percieved within/without and the chaos continuity of consiousness and the spirit |
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i don't. if perfection exists, i wouldn't be able to define it. |
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no, of course not perfect, I mean more close to the perfection from the start. Or just quasistable, being able to be out of the competition. Which one would you want to live forever: the mind, the body, or the spirit? |
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my point was that, whether or not you like to call this experience god or a mere internal experience Why is it "mere" if it's internal? Seems ta me it's the same experience; it's only mere (i.e., devalued) in your mind if you place a greater value on communion with something external. Please, tell me about the chaos continuity of consciousness and the spirit! |
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If you say something is imperfect, what are the qualities it lacks? If you define those qualities then you will define perfection, at least in a particular if not general way. |
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