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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-14 16:31 [#00480992]
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which kind of music do you prefer?
and what do i mean by each?
emotional, ie boards of canada
technical, ie autechre, richard devine
note: of course pretty much any artists arent exclusively one or the other. most of them have a touch of both (like ae, but for me, theyre more technical than emotional).
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 16:34 [#00480996]
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tenchicos mosltlybut my no.1 is still RDJ..who shows the most sublime balance of the two lobes..
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Phresch
from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-12-14 16:36 [#00480998]
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a nifty combination of both.....
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-12-14 16:39 [#00481003]
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what presch said
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-12-14 16:40 [#00481008]
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I prefer Technical , but a combination of both is best.
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2002-12-14 16:42 [#00481010]
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I prefer technical
But I enjoy both...
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 16:45 [#00481013]
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Emotional
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spoonz
from Edmonton, AB (Canada) on 2002-12-14 16:51 [#00481019]
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most definitely emotional..no question
pure emotion beats out technical emotion anyday. a "nifty comination of both" os fine tho :D
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2002-12-14 16:53 [#00481021]
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anyway I find autechre very emotional at times...
umh that's just me maybe...
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-12-14 17:05 [#00481034]
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I usually prefer emotional, but both are good in there own ways, and a good balance of the two is always something special
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-14 17:17 [#00481051]
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no, that's not just you. i also find some of lipswitch to be quite emotional. all music is emotional to me, but some is more intensely emotional than other.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-14 17:19 [#00481054]
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i find autechre to be very very emotional.
in fact, I wouldnt call any of the music i listen to plain technical... even though its electronic... its always emotional.
the worst kind of non emotional, technical music, is shredding on guitars, or jazz people who dont know when to stop
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-14 17:20 [#00481056]
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autechre are mostly technical, but there's still a shitload of emotions in their music. takes a lot of listens before you can see it.
lipswitch's 'emotional side' is less obvious though.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 17:46 [#00481088]
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Is emotion a more primitive form of consciousness, that in humans developed into full-fledged self-awareness? emotions are a product of evolution, they exist because they favor our species in natural selection. What emotions seem to do is help us make fast decisions in crucial situations. Besides, emotions are also the fastest way that we can communicate with members of our group. The American psychiatrist Allan Hobson thinks that emotions are signals between animals of the same species that communicate one's brain state to another.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 17:48 [#00481090]
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I personally don't find Autchre emmotional, but rather, atmospheric. When I listen to Amber or Confield, I imagine landscapes and images, rather than feeling any emmotion.
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-12-14 18:43 [#00481135]
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definitely emotional...
completely techinical music can be nice.. but it gets boring faster... im not very well versed in music theory or computer programming/software/hardware technology... so i dont really pay attention to the structures and mechanics and techniques behind the making of music
being an artsy fartsy space cadet art student.. i tend to appreciate the moods and atmospherics of music
which is probably why i've only listened to lipswitch like twice and was bored to tears both times (i'll give it another try later tonight i think..so dont jump all over me..)
and go plastic is probably my least favorite sp album
technical music is nice while youre listening to it.. but it usually doesnt leave me with anything.. and usually doesnt compell me to go back and listen to it a lot
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-14 18:45 [#00481138]
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all music is emotional. you always feel something when listening to music - you can't be just blank..
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-12-14 18:48 [#00481139]
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autechre can be emotional at times.. (vletrmx21 obviously, rae, most of cichli suite, bits of tri repetae and amber, most of incuabula, etc)
but as cs2x said..theyre more about atmosphere and texture... which i suppose can be as good as emotion ...confield has a very thick atmosphere..and is obviously very textural.. so its not so cold and clinical
i suppose go plastic is pretty atmospheric at times too... but not so much as MIRON...or at least in a different way
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-14 18:58 [#00481149]
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i disagree with most of what you said, but it's a pretty interesting point of view i must admit.
"What emotions seem to do is help us make fast decisions in crucial situations."
- the rational you should get the upper hand in crucial decisions rather than the emotional you, imo.
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135633
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 18:58 [#00481150]
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sorry, but Autechre are VERY emotional...
what a crap word to use "emotional".
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-14 19:00 [#00481152]
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i agree, but in the end, as in everything, it's all subjective.
in my mind, ae are:
45% emotion 55% technique
maybe because ive been an addict for quite a while and associate their music to many situations.
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uviol
from United States on 2002-12-14 19:00 [#00481153]
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''i find autechre to be very very emotional''
here here! listen to tri rep, you guys can't hear emotion bleeding out of every minute of that? it's a weird combination of emotion thru machine
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-14 19:05 [#00481158]
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technique has nothing to do with emotion.
it can be very technical and still be extremely emotional. it almost sounds as if you think the one pushes out the other.
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-14 19:08 [#00481162]
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are those replies made to me?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 19:26 [#00481173]
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I second that...I know of very few people that actually make music..as a perfuntionary intellectual excercise..there's is a moment an urge an idea aneed that makes you create..that could actually be called an emotion in it self..
hell even Happy Hardcore emotes...
however am I right in assuming that what you are calling emotion here is actually those languid melancholic strains..?
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2002-12-14 19:31 [#00481177]
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yeah uviol, tri repetae bleeds with emotion...
But the first time I listened to it I didn`t notice it =(
For a moment I almost thought that I wasted my money...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-14 19:33 [#00481181]
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um.. yeah :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-14 19:35 [#00481185]
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well flea, what I meant is more along the lines that the person who listens will always project some sort of emotion on the music heard.
in how far the music is 'technical' should not really matter, me thinks. 'technical' and 'emotional' are 2 different levels to listen to in music, they don't combine.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 19:43 [#00481193]
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hmm..what do call emotional?..Happiness,Sadness,Anger,Rage..they are all emotions..
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135633
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 19:46 [#00481194]
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flea: you're right, thats why i think "emotion" is the wrong word to use here...its just crap.
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Zozu
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 19:55 [#00481197]
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Music by its very nature creates a reaction in humans whether good or bad...these are called emotions. So it would be fair to say that all music is 'emotional'.
And what exactly are u refering to by 'technical'? Do you mean music that sounds highly composed or purely computer generated? 'Technical' is way too vaguer description for music.
Looks like asking if we prefer 'emotional' or 'technical' music doesn't make much sense, does it?!
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135633
from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 19:59 [#00481200]
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exactly, well put. These words are too ambiguous.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-12-14 20:00 [#00481201]
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whew. i was gonna say something along those lines as well, but i wasn't sure how to derive it verbally
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Zozu
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 20:06 [#00481203]
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Well, I felt it had to be said ;)
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-15 02:34 [#00481331]
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then you got me all wrong. i think any track, ANY, has an emotional component as well as a techinical component (that's a given).
i just believe some track or albums or artists seems to have more of a tacnhical OR emotional edge in their music, with intention (of course i could be wrong).
this is why i asked the question: which of these two do you prefer.
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-12-15 02:35 [#00481332]
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i just dont get where you took "it almost sounds as if you think the one pushes out the
other".
maybe i dont see it right now, and i'll und34rstand it when my head'll be clearer tomorrow...
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Vit C
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-15 05:52 [#00481382]
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Technical - that wuld be steve Reich and or any Dance music artists that are worth their salt.
Emotional - that would be much, much harder to answer I'm just going to say blues music.
Can I add to this by saying air seem to be fascinated by this distinction. There's definately something lurking in this recentist release ???
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-15 10:17 [#00481468]
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I mean, you started to use percentages to give a rough indication of how much of a track is emotional and how much is technical - if you see it like that, tracks that are high in technicality in your opinion, always 'push out' the emotional part (seeing as there is a max. of 100%).
I'm saying both do apply to music, but on different levels. you can listen to music for its technicality ("mm.. tricky dicky devine does some intricate stuff here..") OR for its emotion ("mm.. I love step focus..makes me happy").. not both at the SAME TIME.
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melack
from barcielwave on 2002-12-15 11:13 [#00481491]
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emo
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-15 11:16 [#00481495]
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it all depends. i like some because its technical and some because its emotional. some is a nice mix.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-15 11:19 [#00481497]
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thats being a bit picky. i knew what he meant.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-12-15 11:21 [#00481500]
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you people CATEGORIZE TOO MUCH
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-15 11:22 [#00481502]
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and you are a cat.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-15 11:26 [#00481506]
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we need it. orr we would neverr find ourr CD's. CD rrack layout is a highly scientific opperration. For a lot of us categorrization is the basis for the orrganisation.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-15 11:27 [#00481508]
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without it theirr would be total mayhem
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-12-15 11:31 [#00481511]
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so emotional music can't be technical?
and technical can't be emotional??
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2002-12-15 11:33 [#00481512]
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Emotional by a fucking mile. Like someone said, technical stuff gets boring quick. Emotional music is never boring to me, I just have to be in the mood for it.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-15 11:35 [#00481513]
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o it can that a total differrent section.
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-12-15 11:58 [#00481530]
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has anyone noticed how a bad singerr who is rreally meaning what they sing can sometimes send chills up yourr spine and come off betterr than a good singerr singing someone else's perrsonal lyrrics.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-12-15 12:11 [#00481537]
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