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IDM or Braindance?
 

offline s t c from BUDAPEST (Hungary) on 2002-12-14 03:16 [#00480683]
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how would U call it?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:21 [#00480686]
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focus on the definition. the name can be anything,
preferably following the conventional rule of other naming
objects something a human can pronounce with it's mouth
tongue and vocal cords, as long as we agree on the
definition.


 

offline s t c from BUDAPEST (Hungary) on 2002-12-14 03:24 [#00480688]
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definition exists. we do not have to agree. you are talking
about axiom.


 

offline Neto from Ecatepec (Mexico) on 2002-12-14 03:30 [#00480689]
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i call it "intelligent electronic music"


 

offline str_ph from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:34 [#00480691]
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OK: the music we are commonly discussing on this board is
not 'intelligent' since it's inanimate and unable to think.
It's not braindance either 'cause dance is the moving
expression of your body (by definition).

I call it experimental music or just electronic music ( good
electronic music ).


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:35 [#00480692]
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if we made or have an objective definition, perhaps one
based on math, it would be hard for people to disagree. all
knowledge is founded on axiom isn't it? eventually you have
to accept something as true because there is no way to 100%
prove anything


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 03:36 [#00480693]
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Braindance is Rephlex..IDM is the rest..simple...


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:44 [#00480695]
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We grasp reality by applying abstractions to specifics
things. Rope-like is an abstraction regarding shape. Rising,
falling. heaviness and pinkness are abstract concepts.

Through abstraction we classify, putting into each
classification things with similar characteristics.
Creatures who have characteristics like ourselves we
classify as human. If we poke them and see they are solid
rather than ghosts we have added one more characteristic as
verification. Sometimes we get our categories mixed up and
need to reclassify, such our neighbor not being an ape, or
the creature flying around is a bat rather than a bird. To
classify we must differentiate.



 

offline s t c from BUDAPEST (Hungary) on 2002-12-14 03:44 [#00480696]
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(
i think braindance is more than rephlex. but maybe we should
call it _intellectual_ because everyone talks about it, so
it IS intellectual. (ex people dont talk so much and so deep
about dnb, hiphop nor anything else)

anyway i like the word experimental, because that music is
about it.

whatever
)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:47 [#00480697]
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yes but braindance in an interesting metaphor if you use
abstraction to interpret it rather than literally.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:48 [#00480698]
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i still like "music for insane people" as someone suggested


 

offline str_ph from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 03:52 [#00480700]
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"To classify we must differentiate."

True only if you consider that 1 item cannot belong to two
classes. Be careful you look like a 14 years old kid talking
about math classes he will take in 6 years. Maths are a
dianoïa, yoy cannot apply them to real life.


 

offline s t c from BUDAPEST (Hungary) on 2002-12-14 03:55 [#00480702]
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(
insane... yes, i can imagine a _hard, normal daddy_ crossing
a street listening to weird stuff...

i was trying to put afx in on a gig, after 20 secs they
pissed me off.

it is serious dose of intensive impulses... i think you can
not listen it for a dinner or a conversation in the
background... you concentrate on it or it disturbes you...
)





 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 04:08 [#00480705]
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so math can only be applied to that which is not "real
life", like fantasy life or something? I don't know the
definition of dianoïa. Don't let school get in the way of
your education. You shouldn't learn in year designated
chunks.


 

offline str_ph from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 04:19 [#00480708]
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No ä dianoïa is different from a science (astronomy -
chemsitry - sociology ) because it cannot be verified thru
experiments. It's the upper layer in other words. And don't
let your lack of education prevent you from doing your own
researchs.


 

offline s t c from BUDAPEST (Hungary) on 2002-12-14 04:21 [#00480709]
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(
dianoia kikqs ass.
)


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 04:22 [#00480710]
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Sorry but braindance is Rephlex. There is a lot on Rephlex
catalogue that is IDM fans would really balk at being called
Intelligent. Actually some of that stuff is charmingly and
endearingly and wholly intentionally childish and dumb.


 

offline s t c from BUDAPEST (Hungary) on 2002-12-14 04:28 [#00480713]
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knobject


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2002-12-14 04:44 [#00480721]
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it's funny how genre names can get strange. if i, in
finland, say idm, people (not all but most of the ignorant
ones) immediatly think about very dark non-danceable
chillout music, like illbient. and when i try to explain idm
is not suicidal at all - well, no difference. only schematic
material really fits that description. also, no-one here
ever knows that idm comes from intelligent dance music.

as for myself, i call it mostly 'strange electronic music'
or even 'different electronic music' (most of my pals think
of electronic music as techno, house, trance)


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-14 05:39 [#00480744]
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its all electro to me



 

offline neetta from Finland on 2002-12-14 05:41 [#00480745]
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...for me, electro is a much narrower thing :)


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-12-14 05:42 [#00480746]
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i agree with Flea...Braindance is a trademark owned by
Rephlex. rephlex music is Braindance. IDM is a more general
term.

but now it's called Xltronic music, right?


 

offline Refund from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-12-14 05:49 [#00480749]
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IDM,. rolls of the tongue nicely,.. I use that


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 06:21 [#00480759]
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?..yes I go under knobject sometimes...?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-14 07:57 [#00480779]
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neitherr if i could. they both sound bent. but if anything i
say IDM.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-14 07:58 [#00480782]
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i choose to just say electrronic.


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2002-12-14 11:04 [#00480836]
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i use the word braindance, not only for rephlex stuff,
simply because i just like its meaning and how it sounds.


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2002-12-14 11:08 [#00480837]
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Interesting discussion.


 

offline Vit C from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 11:17 [#00480838]
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Idm (Industrial untill I realised intelligent)
I wood ov stuk with Industrial as I don't much care for
intelligent but I figured Industrial was industrial etc

Ambient
Electronic or
electronica but mostly I just say weird electronic ambient
stuff or something like that. Briandance -never.



 

offline Quoth from Sweden on 2002-12-14 11:19 [#00480839]
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i call your "IDM" & "BRAINDANCE" stuff... childish hippy
music



 

offline Iroel from Pisa (Italy) on 2002-12-14 11:25 [#00480842]
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I usually say idm when I talk to people that have an Idea of
what I'm talking about...

Electronica to the profane, without even caring if they
understood...


 

offline John McLane from the Nakatomi Plaza on 2002-12-14 11:28 [#00480844]
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I hate those terms,I just call it fucked up music (everyone
likes to abreiviate so you can call it fum if you like;-)



 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-14 11:34 [#00480846]
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i never use the term idm. i don't understand why it's even
acknowledged. i wish that this post would be the last i
ever heard it from anyone other than bonehead music
journalists. braindance is simply rephlex, cause that's
what they call it ans it's their music.


 

offline spoonz from Edmonton, AB (Canada) on 2002-12-14 13:13 [#00480902]
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at school, where i can't be bothered to explain to people
what 'idm' means and stands for, i just say electronic
music. if they're reeeaallly closed minded and listening to
britney spears, i call i techno to save me frustration. at
home, where my whole family is digging most 'idm', i can
actually call it braindance, or idm.
--------
what was that new term that didn't catch on a while ago?


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-12-14 13:14 [#00480905]
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cranial creations


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-12-14 13:16 [#00480907]
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mclane: hahaha, that reminds me, the other day i was wearing
my home made venetian snares shirt (it says i heart venetian
snares). and she said "what's a venetian snare?" and i said
"he's this guy who makes FUCKED UP MUSIC!" and she was like
"so why do you like him" and i just kind of looked at her,
and i was like "because. i. love. fucked. up. music."


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 15:20 [#00480950]
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The term IDM got it's start mainly owing to the Artifical
Intelligence series...released by WARP


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-12-14 15:22 [#00480952]
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hence as a rule of thumb originally
IDM=WARP
Braindance=Rephlex


 

offline warpphex from lurkston, ziltyland. (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-14 16:10 [#00480986]
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I call it electronica . i call rephlex electronica .
i call techno ,techno , and i call R and b shite.
simple.


 

offline Refund from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-12-14 16:18 [#00480987]
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I explain what it's like,.. so if I was explaining autechre
I'd say that it's "glitch", fluke would be "catchy chilled
duff" fight club soundtrack would be "basement breakbeats"
BOC would be "simple aesthetic melodies",.. my friends know
what Im on about usually


 

offline bryce_berny from chronno (Canada) on 2002-12-14 17:57 [#00481095]
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BRAINDANCE!



 

offline bryce_berny from chronno (Canada) on 2002-12-14 17:58 [#00481096]
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ELECTRONIC!


 


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