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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 14:09 [#00455544]
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anyone seen this film/documentary? hits you right in the face!
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BILE
from São Paulo (Brazil) on 2002-11-25 14:10 [#00455546]
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god, not this again...
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BILE
from São Paulo (Brazil) on 2002-11-25 14:10 [#00455548]
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it's been discussed a couple times ;P
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 14:15 [#00455556]
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really! i missed those threads... wasnt aware of it.
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dirkdiggler
from Australia on 2002-11-25 14:17 [#00455560]
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if you americans illegalized guns like us australians there would be a 80% cut in violence
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-11-25 14:18 [#00455561]
Points: 8876 Status: Lurker | Followup to dirkdiggler: #00455560
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I think so too.
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 14:31 [#00455569]
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easy gun accessibility cant be good.
anyone know where that cartoon with the sarcastic bullet was taken from? ive got to see that part again. and i'd like to reread all those statements about the us' political and military involvement everywhere in the world.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-11-25 14:36 [#00455577]
Points: 8876 Status: Lurker | Followup to CORTEX: #00455569
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http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/media/clips/index.php
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 14:39 [#00455580]
Points: 3346 Status: Regular | Followup to Sido Dyas: #00455577
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fuck yeah! exactly what i was looking for, thanks!!
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-11-25 14:44 [#00455583]
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criminals will always get guns. the people who use guns for safety/hunting are not the ones that mis use guns at over the top rate. so why ban it from people who use them properly? criminals can just smuggle them in like drugs anyway
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-11-25 14:49 [#00455594]
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these anti gun people only care when someone gets shot in some school or suburb.. people get murdered in nyc ghettos everyday and you dont even hear about it. the guns were most likely bought from the trunk of someones car in some dark ally. yea its good to make it stricter to buy gones and trak them easily, and they should get strict. but they need to focus on better policing, and if you look at the stats of a major city like NYC, murders have gone down significantly with the implementation of different/efficient police "strategies".
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 14:54 [#00455608]
Points: 3346 Status: Regular | Followup to b0nk: #00455583
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why not restrict gun sales to people who have a liscence? i think all they do in the states is do a crappy background check and a few days later, you walk out with a gun!
the simspons laughed at this matter when homer wants to get a gun. he admits to having a violent temper, that he once was in a mental institution and to being an alcoholic (or something like that), and the guy says "no problem, you'll have a gun in 3 days".
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 14:56 [#00455616]
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i mentioned the simpsons thing because it made me laugh. people dont always see to what extent this sitcom is really 'politically-opinioned'. they constantly laugh at their own governmental politics.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-11-25 15:00 [#00455626]
Points: 8876 Status: Lurker | Followup to b0nk: #00455594
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"the guns were most likely bought from the trunk of someones car in some
dark ally"
And where do you think these came from in the first place?
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 15:02 [#00455632]
Points: 3346 Status: Regular | Followup to Sido Dyas: #00455626
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exactly!
those trunk gun sellers dont build the guns theyre selling...
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-11-25 15:23 [#00455689]
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thats true, but banning guns completely wont prevent the criminal from getting his gun. They should/need to get stricter in sales yes- much stricter. The only thing is, in a lot of the country type places in America, owning a gun is second nature, its a way of life. Thats why its such a heated argument. I dont hunt or need a gun for safety, its the other x millions of people who fight for it.
that whole statistics thing with michael moore making the usa look really pathetic with gun murders is kinda wrong. you need to look at the population density and shit, its kinda bogus
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-11-25 15:45 [#00455726]
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I dissagree to everything you have said. And the irony is that i want to shoot myself...
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-11-25 16:08 [#00455761]
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lol well - what are the laws in sweden?
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-25 16:23 [#00455799]
Points: 3346 Status: Regular | Followup to b0nk: #00455689
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back in the days, slavery was a way of life in some parts of america too, but things changed for this issue. this is not an argument imo. same applies for 'well ive got a shitload of loaded guns in my house cuz the 2nd amendment gives me the right to do so".
i agree with you on those stats, theyre not proportionate to the population. i was a little stunned though. canada had something like 160 firearm homocides and the us had 11,000. we've got 10 times less people in cada, so if we calculate the murder rate for canada for 300 million people, we'd have 1600!!!! i thought the us had like 150 times the murder rate of canada (proportion kept)...
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