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i am turning to "general" studies as opposed to what i was originally interested in... music composition... the reason being is that i am force-fed all this knowledge that what i listen to is not "deep" and has no real meaning unlike the great mozart, bach, beethoven, etc... this is all bull-shit... nothing on this earth has a deep meaning. general studies... i might turn to computer science or computer engineering for a major... fuck this... i don't even know why i'm telling you kind people here this life story of mine... going into the music college, was a terrible mistake, really was... made me realize how bad of a 'musician' i really am... to whatever that means, i really am not comfortable with anything anymore. cry for me. hah... thank you to reading this dumb fucking post |
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Zeus will not be pleased... :( |
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at least you got the guts to get away from people feeding you crap. Much luck in General Studies |
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awww quoth that is bad to hear. :*( I am a bit skeptical about schools that teach music "theory" and "composition". Its all about expression, and people dont seem to understand it, or know where expression comes from. It cant be taught. Stick with the music making though.... I have realized that if you are planning to have a career in music... that.. well... odds are likley you will become a starving artist (not that there is anything wrong with being one.... hell... I am one) but if you stick with it who knows? The creative industry in general is a freak kind of thing... its not like you can go. I want to be a famous or do scores for movies. Because its all chance. Most people who do that didnt have much schooling in music, its usually something like: well .. .one day I was at so and so's and I played him some stuff... then he passed it on to so and so, then to another guy... then I got recognized. Its usually really wierd like that.... if it happens it happens, if it doesnt it doesnt. Its all about having fun and expressing yourself. Thats what makes art great. Its not about becoming a star... or making millions. Art is and was never about that. Famous artists (musicians, artists, poets, writers)... most of them anyway (true artists....) never set out to become famous and were never out for fame... or to be nationally reknown. It was all about expression. I kind of hate art schools for implying that by graduating such and such a school, or graduating with such and such a degree... that you can become sucessfull in the creative field and will without a doubt end up doing what you want to be doing... Usually people end up doing work that they dont want... but it pays the bills... for example I knew this friend, that graduated at an arts school, with a major in composition, and minor in studio recording/production, and he now does ads for radio and television.... hardly that expressive or creative.. compared to what he wanted to do... electronic studio production. Its good to chase dreams, always |
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always chase your dreams, just know what your getting into and believe in yourself. College is nothing... its just a think that says you have a degree... thats all people care about, my uncle got his degree in philosophy, and he is now in law on the city council and running to be the judge in his county. They didnt care if his degree wasnt related to law... or political science... its just a piece of paper .... all it is. A very expensive piece of paper. |
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"and he now does ads for radio and television..." when I say that... I mean just post production type stuff... managing the levels... making a clean mix.. sometimes he gets to do his own production.. but that is really rare... he says it pays good... so thats good I guess. Sorry for the long rant... *passes out* |
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I don't give a shit about theory and all that. I've learned 10 times more from just fucking around and jamming on my guitar than my professional music lessons. But then again, I'm a lazy bastard that never studied or worked on my theory. :-/ |
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*sigh* ok here we go... #1. Im sorry feel this way man... its a shame. I totally understand what you are goin through... here at Berklee, none of the classes I took originally talked about, or even recognized electronic music (thankfully Im now in classes that pertain to my major, so I will be getting into it more and more, and its accepted by teachers). But basically, you just gotta do your own thing. But thats not to say you should just turn your back on it all. I mean, them not recognizing or respecting your music, is exactly what you are doing, you are turning YOUR back on thiers. Knowladge is power, imo. What will it hurt for you to learn all this other theory? It can all be applied, you just gotta use it the way YOU want to. But before you do that, you gotta understand how it works in the original medium (ie. youll have to learn and write stuff outside of the IDM genre... but this can be a good thing... it can expand your horizons). But, you are not me, and you may not agree... so follow your heart, and I hope it all works out for you. But in response to those who said they question music schools... welllll, I can see what you are saying. I understand, that no, emotion cannot be taught, it must be inside of you... HOWEVER, if you do have the emotion inside of you, learning about music can only heighten your possiblilities of expression. Music is such a vast thing... so much has happened in the last several hundred years... sometimes you need people to show you things, because discovering it all on your own would be impossible. Also, its not like music schools just take any old person off the street and "turn them into a musician". The people who go to music schools are people have been doing music for a long time, and love it, and just want to further thier artist expression. Sure, not everyone that goes to music school is great... but I think its unfair to say that people who go to music schools, are overlooking emotions, and just focusing on rules. I dont know... i get alittle def |
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bah. I dont know, I get alittle defensive, because IDM is basically a genre that evolved from the streets (ie. clubs and people messing around with gear, for the most part) and I feel that alot of times, people look down on the fact that im studying music... like im not "keeping it real". I hope it isnt the case... if anything, I think it shows my dedication and love of electronic music... that I am studying "classical" music etc, yet my love and focus is on electronic music. I am learning about all types of music in school, because I want to blend it all together, and get my own thing. You know? I think its important to look at the past, to be able to move into the future. Alot of people just leave it behind... but thats just my opinion *Zeus Flaming beggins..... now* |
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I secoind that. Good luck Quoth. You'll find people who slag of anything non-classical in any artform calling it shallow. They're usually the sort of idiots who don't realise even classical art was pioneering at one time... |
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zeus, don't be afraid, i'm with you. i think what it all depends on is wether you're willing and open to learn from other types of music AND wether you have a good composition teacher who respects the type of music you make. i study composition and my teacher isn't forcing me to write whatever kind of music which i think is great. |
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Its difficult. I hated music lessons at school. I had no natural skill with playing any of the lame broken intruments we were given, the teacher made it pretty unpleasant as well... but now i've found i'm a good drummer and also good at DJing: beatmatching scratching etc. BUT then again, you sometimes have to learn the boring stuff otherwise when you get further down the line musically you'll have problems. And then you can CHOOSE to make traditional music or something different. I'm not telling u what to do though, just my thoughts. (great eh?! - not) |
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no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont say that no matter what classical music is VERY importan you learn so much about layering man that is what real mixing and layering is! |
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i got an F in music at school, so i left it at that. i hated theorry on the "grreats" who werre grreat, just not "grreater" nesseserily |
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I am all for theory and music history... I actually like it alot... but for some people it detracts from your personally growth, and creativity, I see it all the time at my school. Kids in theory class getting all technicaly (which is not a bad thing) and then going home, and not able to apply it to their style... so it frusterates them. Its good to konw about past music history... but I dont think its nessesary. Theory and music history cant hurt, it can only make a person better at composing.... its just that I see people get obcessed and setting limits and staying in specific boundries... I like theory and music history... but for some people its not their bag. There are other ways to learn it .... you dont have to take theory and composition classes.... try getting into the production/recording, arranging, side of things Quoth. Its much different, you might like it.... just a suggestion. I dont think anyone is hating on you on this board zues, just because you go to a music school.... Its all good. I am going to transfer from UCI to the CalArtInstitute- and hopefullly get my major in computer music, and minor in multimeadia. |
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I've learnt a lot from classical music. One of my music teachers got it right... he said "i can teach you theory and history, but i cant teach you imagination" I used to think that all these 'great' composers just stuck to their theories, but i was wrong. When you look at pieces carefully they're frequently doing as they please, and making amazing music. open minded is the best route i think. |
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counterpoint is FUN! |
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Don't worry about it Quoth. The best way to learn is by doing, anyway. Just jam on your own, you don't necissarily need to go to music school to be a great musician. I'm sure learning theory helps, but if it's not engaging to you then it may be a waste of time. |
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your avatar is sure engaging to me xlr ;) teehee! |
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thanks :) |
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