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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 04:46 [#00436571]
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I didn't come up with that title but the humor behind it is great. I guess it's an in joke. *grins*
As for black cd-r you can get them on-line I bet if you look.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 04:47 [#00436572]
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And I'm just now writing an email to explain differences between black and death metal to you.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-11-11 04:53 [#00436574]
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Meho: Great, dipshit it is :) .. can't wait for the synopsis .. i'm about to head off.
J-hok: just nuther wee "tech-geek" question, do you use VST instruments on the g3powerbook? if so, how do you find they perform, ie. with live midi contolling, and in terms of how many it can run ???
Anyhow .. that's me for tonight - catch you ladies around
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-11 04:53 [#00436575]
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There is no difference- it's all shouting and noise :P
Just kidding.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 05:01 [#00436587]
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Ceri: I know you were kidding, and this is why I won't curse you for all eternity. There are huge differences, just like between gabba and hard trance for instance. (wow, it rhymes also)
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-11-11 05:18 [#00436602]
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pronounced: instence :(
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 05:20 [#00436606]
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True. However, I'm a dumb serb and I pronounce how it's written.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 05:28 [#00436612]
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Gabber!!!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-11 05:28 [#00436614]
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Your English is very, very good. It's a very subtle difference of pronunciation that Korben pointed out. What's your first language?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 05:32 [#00436618]
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Well, serbian, naturally. And in serbian you literally read the way it's written.
I see the difference between trance and instance pronounciation when I think about it, but as on paper they look the same, I made that gross and now irreparable mistake.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-11 05:38 [#00436620]
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I thought so, I was just wondering if serbian was the name of it...
re: pronunciation. Yes, it must be a real swine for people learning english, I mean, the majority of people who speak English as a first language can't do it right ;)
That was one of the good things about esperanto- you said it exactly as it looked and there were no exceptions to rules. I wish that had been adopted more widely, it was a pretty cool language...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 05:43 [#00436626]
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Well, that's what you have in serbian. But most people here still speak very rotten serbian and write even worse...
English is a lot easier to learn than serbian, BTW.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-11 05:54 [#00436642]
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"English is a lot easier to learn than serbian, BTW."
How come? Is serbian one of those languages like chinese that doesn't follow "normal" language structure?
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diablo
on 2002-11-11 06:34 [#00436692]
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I still don't know the difference between dark and death metal... And where does ENT fit into that category? I'm lost!
As for making new music try getting some really old jazz and blues records and taking samples from them, then working from that?
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 06:41 [#00436700]
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Try learning Magyar, that isn't even like any other language, except maybe Finnish.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 06:46 [#00436706]
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Death Metal is fast and raw, lyrics will be "I chopped the fuckers head off and kicked it down the toilet before taking a shit..." etc. Fast, heavy, metal. Dark metal will be like death metal in places but have church organs and such mixed in, some of it will be quite mellow and the tracks will be about lost lovers, spirits entwined in the flowing rivers of eternal damnation together etc.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 06:47 [#00436708]
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dark metal as genre does not exist. There's black metal and there's death metal and ask Korben tomorrow to explain the difference. ENT are actually a hardcore punk band. Their early stuff shows a clear Discharge/ Disorder influence.
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diablo
on 2002-11-11 06:49 [#00436709]
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Yeah I knew ENT were hardcore really just wondered if you knew them.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 06:51 [#00436710]
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Hmmm, let me try:
death metal is about monsters, demons, satan, violence and pain; the music is chugging, has a lot of the low end and the vocals are deep and guttural
Black metal is about satan, vampires, wolves, ravens, bats etc.; the music is raw but melodic in a really cheesy way and the sound is trebbly and has virtually no low end. The vocals are rasp and high pitched.
Of course, there are exceptions and overlaps.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 06:52 [#00436711]
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Bet your sweet arse I knew them. They used to be goooooood. Now they are crap.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 06:55 [#00436715]
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Yes.
A lot of my Black Metal (I didn't notice I had started calling it dark) is gothic romance, seeing the beauty in being bitten and totally enveloped into a vampires heart and that kind of theme. It also has gothic tones (like church organs, gothic quires) mixed with the metal.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 07:03 [#00436718]
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Aye, I hate that gothic-infested black metal. Guys like Mayhem, Marduk, Dark Funeral and Burzum are my posse. Just chainsaw guitars and blastbeats...
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 07:06 [#00436719]
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War by Burzum! I need to play this when I get home. I forgot about those guys.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 07:12 [#00436726]
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Not guys, A guy: Count Grishnack is Burzum.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-11-11 07:15 [#00436731]
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I have that album right here, but it's a bit radical for the office. I'll play it later on headphones.
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C738
from Outer Space on 2002-11-11 08:29 [#00436767]
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J-hok you're right about that!
I-ching really helped me on curing writers block. The book told me to go back to the source.
So I took my oldest samples and made a track called reborn. Its one of my most atmospheric tracks till date. Check the homepage in my profile to download it.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-11 08:44 [#00436781]
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I'll have a look at that track tonight :)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 10:59 [#00437036]
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do something new, use different software, experiment, buy a microphone, try new methods and combine them with old ones
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-11 11:00 [#00437040]
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I have the same problem though.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-11-11 11:09 [#00437053]
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Every now and then I just go mad on my Roland Sh-5. You can set the LFO to trigger the envelopes, so it plays by itself. Slow LFO with long amp envelope release can create some great ambiences. Faster stuff with a noise source can produce some nice Trans Europe Express kind of beats. Usually I record this stuff straight to cassette. After a few weeks I go back and listen and I'm like, I did this? Wow.
-P
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-12 02:56 [#00438242]
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Thanks for your suggestions guys, I worked on a new track for about 5 hours solid (I used some old synth patches etc. from a few days ago). It's very nearly finished, I need to spend a little more time mastering it and it'll be ready for uploading.
I'm dead pleased with it, one of my best tracks, I left it looping all night as I slept.
I managed not to overcomplicate it like I usually do...
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2002-11-12 03:09 [#00438248]
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good dude... =)
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