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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 13:12 [#00427658]
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We're working on a much better and easier-to-use solution for this. Thanks for all donations, we'll let you know how to post pictures as soon as things are sorted!
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uzim
on 2002-11-04 13:15 [#00427660]
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good!! ^^
by the way... will the avatar's max. size be limited to 12 kb forever?
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-11-04 13:18 [#00427662]
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thanx phobia :)))
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 13:19 [#00427664]
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yeah! "forever" is a strong word tho.....
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2002-11-04 13:20 [#00427665]
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why not letting us host our avatars ourself?
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uzim
on 2002-11-04 13:21 [#00427666]
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ok! :)
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 13:21 [#00427667]
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...because that would prevent us from controlling them....
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 13:22 [#00427668]
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...and the size limit is there for YOU... it benefits the end-user.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2002-11-04 13:24 [#00427670]
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ok.. you convinced me!
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-11-04 13:25 [#00427671]
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how is the size limit for us? they take up such a small amount of space, they're not a problem even for people on modems. if they're for your site to run better that's fine, but that's not what you're saying.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-11-04 13:32 [#00427676]
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Ha ha, when I connect via my dreamcast or my mum's laptop I certainly appreciate people having small avatars :)
Maybe the best compromise would be to have a space for a bigger picture on the profile of "premium" account holders? That way people could have a real pic of themselves etc. w/o slowing the MB loading down?
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 13:55 [#00427697]
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tits: "take up such a small amount of space"
yes, individual avatars are now 12 kb. multiply that with 10 or 12 and you have 120 kb's downloading just for avatars. even that is much. imagine what happens with 100+ messages topics.
before the limit was implemented, some people were having 100 kb avatars. multiply that with 10 and you have 1 Mb of unnecessary bandwidth eaters.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-11-04 14:02 [#00427703]
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the size of avatars is a good rule, and should stay implimented in the future
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-11-04 14:23 [#00427718]
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The site has a very clean, consistent look to it. I think the avatars are big enough and for people w/ slower computers, all the animation and stuff will really slow it down.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-11-04 14:30 [#00427731]
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"it's a numbers game but the chips don't add up somehow."
first, don't browsers just keep images in their cache that they keep referring to?
second, 120kb is not much, even on a modem.
third, people have the option of displaying only 25 messages per screen, it's their own fault if they display 100 (or 50) at a time when they have a slow connection.
fourth, i think it's more important to make the graphics on the site smaller sized than the avatars. i'd rather have lots of different avatars with a bigger file size limit than pretty but hefty web site images that never change.
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-11-04 14:31 [#00427735]
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I like the size consistency though. On other messageboards they have avatars of all different sizes and it looks like shit.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-11-04 14:34 [#00427737]
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this one was fine with different sizes though
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Anus_Presley
on 2002-11-04 14:36 [#00427739]
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xlr i agrree, but forr me the computerr dumbass its harrd to cut them to size
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-11-04 15:19 [#00427766]
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Cool
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-11-04 15:29 [#00427777]
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xltronic avatars ruuuuuuuule
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 15:57 [#00427791]
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first, don't browsers just keep images in their cache that they keep referring to?
it's not a 100% rule.
second, 120kb is not much, even on a modem.
I would say it's much if you have a look a the form/function/use.
third, people have the option of displaying only 25 messages
per screen, it's their own fault if they display 100 (or 50)
at a time when they have a slow connection.
When did the avatars turned more important than the actual messages setup?
fourth, i think it's more important to make the graphics on
the site smaller sized than the avatars. i'd rather have lots of different avatars with a bigger file size limit than
pretty but hefty web site images that never change.
This might come as a surprise for you, but the site's graphics size is equal to 3-4 avatars.
finally, you can do a lot with 12 kb - if you know how to do it.
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-11-04 16:04 [#00427795]
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finally, you can do a lot with 12 kb - if you know how to do it
Exactly.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-11-04 16:11 [#00427796]
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ok xlr, we don't need any "yes" men here, phobia can speak for himself (as can your avatars, which look crisp at under 12k)
phobia: thanks for your replies (although i wonder if you're taking my suggestions seriously or just knocking them down). as for #3, if people are complaining about avatars slowing down their page loads then it's only practical for them to not display so many messages at once. the avatar size wouldn't be a problem if these people used good sense. the page graphics are sleek and i know they're sized down but i'm just saying, it makes more sense to me to size them down further than to limit avatar size to 12k which can be too small (it's hard to do animation w/ 12k).
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-04 16:13 [#00427797]
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That's me fucked then. I made a lovely one but it's 127KB at it's smallest I wouldn't even dream of uploading that even if we did ahve bigger avatars. Stick to your guns Phob.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 16:18 [#00427800]
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They can't be sized down further. As you can see, each picture has only 3-4 colors (except for the header) and are saved adaptively. The site-graphics are not the problem here, since they are equal to 3-4 avatar (in kb's) - so it's pretty clear that the "problem" is related to the avatars.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-04 16:19 [#00427801]
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...horray for the limitation then. ;-)
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-04 16:21 [#00427803]
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In this case yes! In general yes! I use Dialup at home and the speed difference is noticeable.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-11-04 16:45 [#00427813]
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qoooool
=)
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BILE
from São Paulo (Brazil) on 2002-11-04 16:46 [#00427815]
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I think the size limit isn't so bad actually. It basically 'forces' someone to be much more creative with a lot less to use up
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-11-04 16:53 [#00427819]
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hooray! pic posting spree's ahoy!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-04 17:32 [#00427838]
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pics on the MB?
phobs... you know better then that... its gonna be insanity.
many closed topics i forsee...
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-05 01:23 [#00428476]
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insanity? only people who donates money will be able to post pictures (as stated earlier). who wants to risk that?
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-11-05 01:47 [#00428484]
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Are you all sure that post pics is really so important? I like this mb for the nice ppl and for the interesting xltronic topics,
I found this board different from all the others and very special. I'm not sure that post with pics could be an importan improvement or innovation anyway we can try...
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Toejam
from Perth (Australia) on 2002-11-05 02:33 [#00428518]
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Avatars are great how they are...but you can chnage them anyway you want, Phobes. They'll still be great. Is this the only MB that has 'em?
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-11-05 06:31 [#00428753]
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There will be moments when even you wants to post pictures, Woofer... :)
Like from the Rephlex session in Italy.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2002-11-05 08:34 [#00428837]
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If someone will ask me: "Woofer, let me see the pics of Richard in Italy", I will be happy to show them (I hope my old camera will make good photos) ;)
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