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sorry for all the topics, but I must ask this question... and it wouldn't make sense in the other topics I've started (I don't think so anyways)... what is all the fuss with all these bands about? The new Vines single came on Muchmusic today, and my GOD, it's annoying... is there some belief that rock music must now be noisy and annoying in order to be innovative? Goodness, that guys voice is annoying as hell!!! The same goes for the white stripes... although their newest song isn't as bad as the vines... |
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"is there some belief that rock music must now be noisy and annoying in order to be innovative?" the reason I ask this is because it seems all these bands that are "noisy" are always critically acclaimed and all... not that critics know jack obviously, but still... |
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I dunno, man... it's very annoying. After so much boy band/pop crap, the idea of ''rock'' and ''guitars'' are like a novelty to the general populous. This will blow over soon enough. The Strokes are good, though, too bad they were given that ridiculous ''saviors of rock'' label by Rolling Stone... and Interpol is even better. And I like Coldplay and Travis... hmm, that could get me killed around here... |
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it's funny, with this faux pas rock revival act going on, i'm finding myself hating coldplay, travis, the vines, the white stripes, the strokes, the hives, etc. while loving rock music more than i have in years. not just the old rock i used to listen to in the early and mid 90s but 90s and 80s rock bands i ignored or never discovered. stuff that was never meant to be a gimmick or a (falsified) statement. |
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yeah, I like The Strokes, and Coldplay... because they're music isn't all about distortion and screaming to hide the fact that the lead singer can't sing at all... titsworth: hehe, I can count on you to have asked this question before me... and here I was thinking I might have a good question to pose the board... :) |
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it's all just a take-off of: velvet underground the stooges rolling stones mc5 gang of four the pixies ...anyway. |
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yeah, that's true... but with all this crap music, it's good to see a band like O-Town constantly growing and developing, and being innovative and all that!!! (their song just came on the radio) ;) |
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Well here in Australia where the Vines are from they really aren't getting that much promotion. Most of the population couldn't care less about them. Their music is quite bad IMHO and I don't understand why other countries are holding their music up in praise. "They make the critics get up on their little hind legs and exclaim 'Now this is what's happening!'" - HR |
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you know about the degrassi high in Australia? :) Joey Jerimiah is COOL!!!! :) |
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I can't stand the vines/white stripes. not enjoyable to listen to at all. My friends thinks it's a rebirth of grunge. |
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i know you're just joking, so don't take this as a response to what you said but a general comment.. it's annoying how people just assume that the only music out there is the music that radio stations are playing, and that they have to choose from the radio what bands to like.. so of course given those limited options the strokes are going to seem like the best band in the world. people need to realize there's more out there, even if they "don't care" (they will when they're exposed to something that REALLY moves them). |
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Oh! its really late here.. good night.. |
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I think the vines suck. I like the Hives though, think they are hilarious. White Stripes meh. Strokes... damn did they have to use that same voice distorter on every song. I don't include travis and coldplay in the genre. |
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I agree... but some people aren't that interested in music... they put on the radio because it's conveniant (it's in cars, etc) and find songs on there that they like... and every now and then the might buy a cd... most people wouldn't be as interested in music as us here, to actually research and look up new bands and all that... I don't think anyone I know is as into music as me... |
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Yeh degrassi rocks!!! It was staple viewing in my younger years as it was for everyone my age in Australia. |
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yeah, same here... I never knew it was shown in Australia... that's cool... I figured it was just a Canadian thing... |
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Degrassi is SO Canadian. I'm swelling with patriotism here. :_-) |
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apt_zet: i don't consider travis and coldplay as sounding like the garage revival, i just find them boring and contrived.. pure marketing. nothing original about them at all. anyway, suffice to say it's not my cup of tea. |
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funk: that's what i'm saying, most people don't think music matters but when exposed to something different they'll often find their groove, so to speak. in other words, they'll find something that does excite and captivate them instead of pacify them like the bands on the radio do. this is why we need to take over the system. the fcc (govt agency that controls the airwaves and media in usa) has allowed a monopoly over radio stations (90% are owned by just 3 companies). community radio has died out because the fcc is allowed to charge millions for a radio frequency, and the existing community and college radio stations are having to battle with the fcc over increased fcc fees and the right to broadcast over the internet. the fcc is willingly privatizing the airwaves to the highest bidder, usually multi-international corporations with ties to the record industry. |
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this is why i treat good music like a political statement and my radio show like a call to arms.. |
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heh, so you're pretty pashionate about music huh? ;) |
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nah i'm just talking out my ass, i don't really care about this stuff ;) |
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I find it an interesting point you're making, but don't you think that maybe your opinion about coldplay and travis is not the same as everybody elses opinion? Maybe there is a reason why some bands become hugely popular... because many people sincerely like them? Marketing can ofcourse have a big effect, and i know if a recordcompany throws a lot of money at promotion, a record will sell. But people are not idiots. They wouldn't be buying all those cd's if the music only mildly pleased them. I believe most of coldplay's and travis's audiences thoroughly enjoy their music. Original or innovative? No... but they just write great songs. Sometimes great songs are all a band needs. I got chivers down my spine myself the first couple of times i heard coldplay's new single (great video also!). Honestly... it's not all about marketing imo. |
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and on topic: I still haven't picked up any of the records by strokes/white stripes/brmc or vines... but they are by far the most interesting bands on radio and tv these days. The strokes album (listened to it a couple of times) sounds like a classic album already. All of these bands sound very basic and pure in a way... and i'm guessing that is what the world was somehow waiting for... after a couple of years of very produced and polished rockmusic. "fell in love with a girl" "whatever happened to my rock n roll" "get free" "outathaway"... they all sound like great songs to me... they remind me of the early 90's. So maybe it is some sort of a grunge-revival? Not to sure about all what all the genres are called ;-) |
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coldplay & travis are the 2 worst bands ever. i wasn't sure at first when reading this thread so i waited for a while just to check. and i was right, they are. now, being english, the word 'lame' is very very rarely used, but i heed to making an exception in this case. lame. i think it's unfair to group a lot of these artist together. as in every genre, there are musicians worthy of praise, others worthy of bashing, peoples favourites, and twats like coldplay & travis (err, yeah, include the stereophonics with them aswell if you like) who proclaim the new era of, well, whateverthefuck you call their music. lame, i call it. but on to better things. doves are definately worth a mention. i have watched their career right from the beginning, purely by accident catching "sea song" being played on the radio and thinking it was someone else. i am also a fan of the hives & white stripes. yeah, i guess they've stemmed there sound from other groups of the past, but they've added a certain originality of their own, and to me they sound quite refreshing. who needs computers anyway? |
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i believe a large percentage of boy band fans enjoy them as well.. until years later they snap out of it and realize there's less contrived music out there i could be wrong about travis and coldplay but it seems like an act to me, and i don't think anyone would disagree with my point about them not doing anything orginal. i never threw around the term idiot, i can't fault people for not being exposed to other types of music. it's cliche but i fault capitalism for drowning out and/or ruinign true alternative music. as for your summary of the strokes etc., again, i'm not saying "they suck", i'm just saying they're just recycyling tried and true music from past eras and marketing it as something new. that's what i disagree with. of course the songs and albums are well written and produced. (incidentally, so are the dance pop albums, only record companies make no bones about this being meritless pap.) but just cos it's better than boy bands and nu metal doesn't mean it's great. that's not exactly stiff competition. it shouldn't be competition at all, they're such different branchs of music. i'm not trying to step on anyone's toes here. i like plenty of mainstream music. i just wish people would get past the idea that there is nothing else out there than what's fed to them. |
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nah you've got it all wrong ;-) I liked the doves' early single... called "catch the sun" or something like that. But i can't stand their new album... it just sounds boring to george's ears. Coldplay on the other hand make beautiful music, and have a great vocalist to boot! |
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I hate all these newfangled rock revivalist bands. They're all so pretentious.. and they're not good enough to justify all the attention they're getting. *Only* exception: the Vines - Get Free.. great song, even better video. I can't even begin to see the appeal of the others.. |
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I was obsessed with the White Blood Cells album for a while, I think it's a damn good album. I like the Strokes and the Hives also. The only one that really fell out of my good books was The Vines. Still, I'd take a Vines song on the radio over most of what I hear on the popular rock stations. |
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I don't really care much for travis myself (only like coldplay), but travis has been around for quite some years now. They seem to me like a band who just does what they like, and who's popularity grows with each album. But my point is not really about individual artists. Through marketing people can probably be persuaded to buy one single, or one album... but they wouldn't remain loyal to a band if they didn't *really* enjoy the music. And we have to face the fact that a large group of people simply does not like the "other" music that is not in the charts. You make it sound like if everyone would just get to know some other music, they would instantly fall in love with it. I really don't think it works that way. Many boyband-fans probably hate the music you love, with the same kind of passion you hate all their music. Have you seen the new Sum 41 video? (or should i say "the sums"?). The song sucks, but the intro is really funny ;-) I bet you'd love it! |
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''could be wrong about travis and coldplay but it seems like an act to me, and i don't think anyone would disagree with my point about them not doing anything orginal. '' Travis seem like genuine pussies to me! They haven't changed their style at all, though it would be beneficial for them to have a badder ''edge'' to their music... but they're still sensitive little lads. They're a bit trite, but I don't think it's an act. I like them. About the ''not doing anything original'' thing... well... can't argue with you there. :-) |
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The originality-thing is more difficult though. I think most types of music have been recycling themselves for decades now... only adding tiny little changes. You listen to the beatles today... and it doesn't sound drastically different from a lot of recent pop/rock music. Perhaps the only thing that is really new and original is electronic music, because there simply weren't any computers avaiable in the past :-) This used to piss me off too though, the lack of originality with most bands. But i guess i just stopped caring when i found out many songs still manage to touch me, even if they're not original. Most bands don't make a big deal about it anyway, and just admit all their influences. |
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marketing can take form of conditioning through the media. when the NME prints at least one story a day about how great coldplay (or chris martin, as they've taken to labeling the whole band) is, it makes a not-so-subtle imprint in the listener's mind. it's not much different from the boy band phenomenon or countless other crazes (hair metal, grunge rock, swing, ska, etc.). there are those who would enjoy it without any marketing pressure and those who are victims of a manipulative media (and really, i can barely think of any media outlet that doesn't aim to manipulate people). i'm not claiming vindication from this. as eric draven (the crow) put it: "victims, aren't we all." i've bought tons of cd's based on hype. i'm trying to get better at it (i almost bought rjd2's album) but it happens sometimes. people should read up on the effects of media conditioning and consumer monopolies. as for travis, you've reminded me of the fact that they have been around for quite a few years and i don't hear any differences with each album. i think they just happened to stumble upon a friendly market, or perhaps they created it. i don't recall who started it (radiohead? the stone roses? the verve? that's for the brits to decide, not this american..). as for exposure to other music, i strongly believe that most people haven't (and in many cases, never will) find the music that makes them most happy. i know reformed boy band listeners and basically they refer to their past devotion as dark years. from personal experience i can tell you that my radio show has reached people who have never heard of the stuff i play and the response has been overwhelmingly positive. not only do they say it's good, they ask who and what it is so they can find out more. we're probably both underestimating the listener: i, by not acknowledging that they might be head over heels over some of these groups that i find to be formulaic and artistically meritless, and you by not giving the listener's open mindedness enough credit (a |
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*(although you are clearly giving them some) i don't think the music played on corporate radio is drastically evolved from the beatles. i agree, you can trace an obvious lineage. i think electronica has done a great job shaking things up. however, electronica owes a great debt to hip-hop, the first really popular music to come along since the advent of rock 'n' roll that has radically changed the way people think about music. you can't get a more abrupt change in stride than the shift from 4 piece bands to turntablism. |
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I think maybe people just need such a "dark period" when they first start listening to music... you need to grow and develop your taste :-) If Druqks would have been the first album i ever heard, it would have probably scared me away from music forever. Little children often only like a few very specific types of food (french fries, pancakes... and just about anything that tastes really sweet :-p)... but as they grow older, they start to appreciate other tastes as well, and slowly learn to like more kinds of food. I believe it works the same way with music. But eh... i think you're probably right when you say we both understimating "the listener"... it probably stems from our different experiences then. I was surprised to just read you actually 'convinced' so many people so easily. I've had very different experiences myself. It's not like i have a radio-show, but often enough i've let other people here the kind of things i listen to. And they just ask how i can bother with that crap and tedious music, most of the 'common listeners' i met just want simple and uncomplicated music as can be found in the charts. |
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And i'm still not to sure about your marketing-theories though... even if the NME does proclaim Chris Martin to be the best thing to come around for a long time... does it really affect peoples *taste*? Meaning they now like it because NME told them to, where otherwise they would have disliked the music? Either you exagarate (sp?) the power of the media, or i underestimate it... but i have a hard time even imagening what you say is true. :-) I know virtually nothing about hip hop, but i'll take your word for it when you say it has influenced electronica... it doesn't surprise me at all. Something entirely new and unique comes up... well... almost never. But i don't think that it's such a bad thing. Every generation just get their own musicians who re-interpret music-history. It's always been that way, and i think it will always be that way. Otherwise we would all still be listening to the beatles, and no new musicians would have even dared to write a song! |
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"grunge" was a "punk rock for pussies" movement of the 90's - these guys just wanna sell an image - think about mtv is the COOLEST |
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i find myself verry disapointed with these new bands that keep coming on the scene. NME prromice so much frrom them and i'm yet to see it. |
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"NME prromice so much frrom them and i'm yet to see it." There, you see?!? :-p NME-readers can think for themselves! NME sounds like a really shitty magazine by the way, i've never read it, but from what i've read on this board, i don't want to read it! |
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ever heard of modest mouse |
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surrounded (George): the people i'm referring to aren't kids who are listening to music for the first couple years, but people my age (20) and older who are 1) led to believe there isn't much music to discover outside of what's already popular, and 2) trained to ignore opportunities to seek out new music. i agree with your reasoning, that people's tastes develop from a very basic beginning, but i'm referring to stagnation, not the development period. my show is pretty easy to listen to, despite all the new artists. i select things that aren't too difficult and i try to pair them in sets that will engage the listener and encourage continual listening and even analysis. in the right context, very little musical territory is unexplorable. as for musical evolution, i'm not criticizing bands for being influenced by the past. i think every form of art is influenced by or is a response to existing forms. this includes hip-hop, electronica, and every form of music i listen to (which also includes rock and pop). it's easier for people to listen to music that takes an obvious linneage from the beatles and other prominent bands of the past. personally most of my favorite music is radically evolved from these origins, but i still enjoy relatively simple music that still conveys emotion, power, artistry, meaning, etc. however, as popular hip-hop and dance music has proven in the 90s, and before it hair metal, grunge rock, synth-pop, and other crazes, music does not HAVE to be similar to its 50s and 60s forefathers to find popularity. i don't understand how you anyone could look at the top 100 singles of the US or the UK and still claim that the old ways still reign. sure, they come back every few years through revivalists such as the bands in the topic's title, but i think it's really marketing that controls what's popular. i've found that what's marketed is sanitized or safe versions of burgeoning underground music that is then further commodified and simplified until it has run its course with li |
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...listeners who in turn desire for something new to come along. i'm criticizing the media and the record companies for fixing the market. granted, all the bands we've been discussing except the strokes and the vines (both of these bands began their careers, and i stress that word, with instant popularity due to media hype) already had a specific sound to them before the garage/whatever craze. travis, as i said, already had a sound before they were really popular. i don't disagree with the bands so much as how they're portrayed by the media, who in turn condition the masses into believing and buying into one craze after another. it's a vicious and artistically void cycle that i hope is broken and i think the internet, alternative magazines, and non-commercial radio stations can be used to do this service for the listener. |
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fuck the vines... don't group them the white stripes who are brilliant. |
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Pass. I don't know. I don't like many bands these days, I don't like Travis, or Coldplay, don't read the NME but when I do it scares me at how they present music ie: "this is the latest and best thing we've ever heard, what you bought 6 months ago is now old news and we will happily put the boot into failing bands we hyped up in the first place" So it's the old "blame the media" how dull or just listen to what you want. I'd also say don't write off a band just because they are succesful and pop fans like it coz some of the best music over the years can be called pop. |
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i like Coldplay. BUT they arre not the next Radiohead by a long shot. the new Coldplay album is grreat but its not OK Computer 2. |
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Coldplay and The Doves are awesome!! I love the new doves album... but travis I can't stand anymore... |
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I really like the strokes, Is this It is a great and unique rock album, one of the best of recent memory imo |
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Well i am gonna be different. I LOVE them all. VINES, STROKES, WHITE STRIPES, HIVES. but then again i love heaps of late 60s early 70s rock. |
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Hm... okay. You're getting a little abstract for me. Maybe you could give an example of how people are led to believe there isn't much music to discover outside of what's already popular, and trained to ignore opportunities to seek out new music? Please don't take this the wrong way, but i think when you say that it sounds a little... uh... paranoid? I don't know exactly how things are in USA, but here in holland there already are radiostations that play "different" music, and there are also lots of magazines that write about interesting artists... but still there is only a relatively small group of people that listens to underground music. It seems to me that everyone who feels interested can check out "other" music. And i get the feeling (again: here in holland) that most people know about the existence of music outside the charts. They just don't really seem to care. But still the radio/tv-stations that play the more popular artists, get the most listeners. So i kind of concluded that the taste of the majority of people probably differs from my own taste... and the taste of people on this board for that matter. *differs*... which is something else then their tastes being underdevelopped :-) I have no idea on what kind of radiostation you have a show (for instance if it is a popular station with many listeners, or an underground station... if it is kind of small and underground, you already have an audience that is at least interested in other music... so it follows that they would be very interested in what you're letting them hear, and more open to it than your average american). This is not a new discussion though... it's been like this forever. The industry believes in giving people what they like, artists think people should learn to like something else. (and i guess that also goes for the more fanatical art-lover). |
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