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hey, Ive ben thinking about this for a while now.. Do you have to get a musical edeucation to be able to make good electronic music, or is it just a allot of imagination and creativity behind the best electronic artsist ? |
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no. yes. |
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well Richard got them both, thats for sure |
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well there's Zeus whos getting an education in it..and then there's the rest of us... I dont think you need an education just a good ear and the abilityand willingness to push the envelope.. but I am cheating here..I did take quite a few music lessons..about a decade ago..and dont remember jack out of that.. |
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The purpose of philosophy is to find the right questions. The other branches of science try to answer those questions. You have asked the wrong question. |
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most of the time you end up teaching yourself stuff. For me, having any sort of musical education would take the fun out of exploring new thnigs. |
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I agree - having a basic framework of 'education', either from another person, or from a book, can be a useful springboard for your adventures in sound |
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ah but you do not need it. in my opinion the most important thing is a genuine interest in sounds themselves.. I think a lot of people start to quickly on structure, not so much on the actual sounds they use. |
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I think the problem with a lot of the idm i hear is that they use cool sounds but they're not really songs. Or maybe I just dno't like soundscapes enough. |
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maybe then the problem is you are expecting 'songs'. I think 'idm' (or whatever) has the potential to outgrow the normal song structure. |
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You don't have to get an education to write good electronic music. anyone can program for 8 hours a day and make killing shit. just like an instrument, you don't have to go to college to study viola, you can just practice at home. its the education, this history, the connections, the venue..... ya know, on and on. whos to say whats better? |
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horse dung. science is not at all concerned with answering the questions that philosophers are concerned with. scientists are pragmatic. they find out how things work that need to be known in order to advance in technological and western magic bullet medicine. they observe and make a model according to the observations but are afraid to consider the implications the findings have on reality. i'm being an ass 'cause not ALL scientists are going on in this manner, but damn near. sorry, you just touched on the very reason i am considering leaving my formal studies of chemistry and biology behind for something more worth while. |
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oh yeah... my man jimi didn't read music. that should be inspiration enough. |
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of course you dont need an education to make good music. beatles, aphex twin... hell, the list is way too long. for me, i am studying music because it opens new doors. there is stuff that im learning, that would taken me much longer to discover on my own. you learn things, but you are not forced to use them. you use what you want. you learn things that perhaps you wanted to do, but didnt know how. to me it doesnt matter. weather you are just messing around and making music by experimenting, or you study music, it doesnt matter. If its good music, thats all that matters. all the great composers of classical music were taught, and they made great music. alot of the "pop" (not pop, but mainstream (including idm) never had lessons before. on the other hand, lots of people have learned about composition, and didnt make anything good and alot of people try to teach them selves, and dont succede making good music. (if we can even label music good or bad... but you get my point) so... yeah. |
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I've heard some very interesting things from people that didn't have any sort of formal training, and I think that in itself is what made it sound so interesting. So yeah... having an education is music isn't a bad thing at all, but you shouldn't always go by the books. |
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I pretty much quoted some guy on the show "big thinkers" on tech tv. He was a philosopher so he probably was biased, and used careful wording to make his branch of study to seem the most important. Actually my post made sense at the time, but now it seems almost as pointless as the original message. And also I th *suddenly leaves without finishing the conversation |
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I'm studying composition at the conservatory and I find that ever since I study there I make more and more progress. So for me, it helps. But it's basically about learning techniques and stuff like that. My teacher doesn't learn me how to compose though or otherwise I would end up composing just like him, or not at all. In my opinion, you don't have to have an education in music in order to compose it. You just need your imagination and the will to create it. |
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