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Reality is all based on perception. "I think therefore I am". Is reality a plausible concept then, or is it all based on what we perceive it as. If a man thinks he is an apple, then that is his perception and it is real to him. It may be false to how someone else perceives it but his perception makes it reality. So therefore the is no such thing as a broadened concept of reality. |
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a man died from cold in a freezing room in a boat once. before dying, he related every day in a diary, describing his feelings, how the cold slowly killed him. but what was strange is that the freezing was off, so the freezing room was at a normal temperature. not knowing it, the man only died because he thought it was freezing. (read this on 'empire of the ants' by b. werber... sorry for the bad english once again) |
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therefore, you don't exist |
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but this kind of stories are really rare... i wish i could "control reality" in some way like this. ' _ ' |
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Yeah, Empire of the Ants is great. This thread should be called, "Existentialism for Beginners" :) There's a good bit in the book "Hannibal" where he's being burnt and manages to ignore the pain by concentrating on the cool marble of a statue... I can do similair stuff, but only to a very mild degree. It'd be cool to have a lot of control over stuf flike that though. It'd be like lucid dreaming when you were awake to a degree... |
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I think you are mixing different concepts together: truth, perception, consciousness, relation to the world... |
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I too have heard the story of the freezing man. It only proves my point |
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let me shoot you to answer your question! |
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i am aware of thinking, therefore i am |
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i hate, therefore, i am. |
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reminds me of a quote from Mtv's Æon Flux: "Light, in the absence of eyes, illuminates nothing. Visual forms are not inherent in the world, but are granted by the act of seeing. Events contain no meaning in themselves, only the meaning that the mind imposes on them. Yet, the world endures, wether or not the mind exists." |
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this is stupid though. cause i could say "hey look im a frog faced dog" you could obviously see im human. this whole perception thing is just dumb. it makes no sense. |
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but if u truly believed u were a frog faced dog it would be reality for u. doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks, because we can't have a group mind. |
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watch the matrix |
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what if our reality is just a dream.. and when we are dreaming we are living our own reality, and when we think we are awake we are actually dreaming? this can be heard on "Dreams" by Forest for the trees.. it goes like this: "when i am dreaming i dont' know if i'm truly sleep or if i'm awake... when i get up i don't know if i'm truly awake or if i'm still dreaming" so, our reality is just a product of our perception.. it can be distorted.. but, who can say what is real? who has the power to determine this? another man whos has a distorted perception of what is real? |
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here it is: Everything is real. |
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reality is a ride on the bus... |
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A tree, as we know it has a trunk, branches and leaves. But a tree is mostly made up of the roots which we don´t normally see. They have more volume and have an extremely important role with the forest network underground and the soil. Yet we dont equate a tree to this more abundent facet. Its all relative anyway. There is no black and white in nature, only relationships between things - from the macro to the micro. I am an individual organism buit at the same time i am intimately connected to my environment .. its natural side and my culkture. Reality stems from the results of many relationships. Ghosts are not "real" by and large because they do not emerge from a tangable set of relationships. I am "real" because the fact that i exist is constantly being re-enforced through complicated relationships with every aspect of myself. MAD |
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well, ghosts are not considered real by a large part of the population, but that's not the point. if someone believes they've seen a ghost, then they are having a relationship with their Percieved environment aren't they? Something has triggered them to see or feel or experience something. therefore that experience is real and labled ghost if the person so chooses. |
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Crocomire..You are correct sir. The ghost is "real" for that person. ah, but lets use the term "real" as in scientifically "real". Then ghosts aren´t real. (unless, science in general has fucked up) "Real" itself is too much of a black and white word because we find it is inadequate for describing all the different realites. We have to qualify it by saying "scientifically real"... which may have to be qualified by "scientifically real western methods" etc etc. where does one end? Back at the start one suspects. Not everything has an answer! |
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i think it's possible science could someday solve what triggers the ghost phenomenon. the scientifically real world is but a cork bobbing on the surface of the dark vast sea of reality, that's someones paraphrased quote, cant remember who. |
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which is more real, the scientifically real or the experientially real? |
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Regardless of what we think is real or fake or whatever, we're all still going to be stuck in 9 to 5 jobs till we're 60, then die. At best. So reality bites. |
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Croco. Ya ain´t there yet. Experiments need to be scientific for them to be of any validity with the rest of the known scientific world....i.e general reality. "More real" is one of those phrases that only makes sense in a specific context, with solid frames of reference. Ultimately you ain´t gona get an answer to the Reality question until you explicity define what you mean. |
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it was a trick question. they are both as real as the other. our reality is anything that can be experienced. reality as a whole is everything we can experience plus everything we can't. |
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bang on. whats virtual reality then? (k i d d i n g) |
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haha! it's porn and opinions as far as i can tell ;0] |
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(just responding at the first topic) no no man, matrix was right since man walked on earth lol |
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reality exists, just not in an objective manner. for that ghost thing, who says that what the person sees is what triggered that same person to experience this 'contact' with the ghost? perhaps it's a hallucination (not triggered by an external stimulus), i.e. the voices that a schizophrenic hears, or people they see. |
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if it's a h9allucination it's no less real. because the experience still exists in experiential reality which is no less real than any other kind of reality. see? |
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in other words, nothing that we know of is UNreal. in other words, reality is one. |
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reality is only a word |
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hmm that's true, since reality is only an idea... |
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but doesn't reality exist without anyone to think of it? there's the true question. |
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the answer is yes |
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how do you know? :D |
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reality is really as real as fallacy is falsely false. |
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i got many secrets ;DD |
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i think there's a fundamental disnction we have to make here. the reality we experience by being stimulated by an external stimulus (in the physical world) is different than what schizophrenics experience as being hallucinogenic (sp?) because they arent caused by an external stimulus. in this case, i dont think real. but of course it's arguable to say that it's real for him and him only... in your case, you must then think that your dreams are real. |
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what people have to realize is that reality is multifaceted. dreams are not real in the same way as waking life is real, but dreams are just as real as far as ultimate reality is concerned. |
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my dreams are true, unlikely as my nightmares too... lolol |
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yes. wait... no. |
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yes, the paradox of ultimate reality is that it's multifaceted yet it's all the same. |
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YOU'RE MULTIFACETED |
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unless you're talking about unreality. |
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anytime you attempt to define reality you fall into the trap of defining nonsense. take this for example: The greek philosopher Parmenides taught that the only things that are real are things that never change...and the greek philosopher Herclitus taught that everything changes. If you superimpose their two views, you get this result: nothing is real. There is a fascinating next step in this though: Parminedes could never have existed because he grew old and died and disappeared, so, according to his own philosophy, he did not exist. And heraclitus may have been right- so if he was right, then Parminedes did exist, and therefore, according to Heraclitus' philosophy, perhaps Parminedes was right, since Parminedes fulfilled the conditions by which Heraclitus judged things as being real. |
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zzligg: i can show you the matrix. |
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I think there is one universal reality, but we each perceive it slightly different... because if there wasn't one such universal reality, why do we all seem to perceive things in pretty much the same ways? Like the physical world... |
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or perhaps there are multiple realities that we shift in and out of, and at any moment i'm in a different reality than you but perhaps i occupy the same one as you as well. see my above statement as talk of reality really leads to nonsense. |
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ok, I just read that and my mind is now tied in a knot... now I understand why I'm not doing philosophy, because it seems like a lot of pointless questioning of everything... :) |
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