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im still trying to figure out what the god damn difference is. anyone? |
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New age is sort of more...spiritual maybe? I really am not sure. |
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i looked on allmusic.com, and it said ambient music is a subgenre of new age they listened aphex twin as one of the key artists i refuse to accept this. |
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hence the word "still" in my first post. those replys are all speculation im looking for real definitions |
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face it, the music "we" listen to is only a step away from "faggot shit" |
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ha` |
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when i think ambient, i think: aphex, orb, spacetime continuum, biosphere, higher intelligence agency, FSOL, KLF, human mesh dance, etc. new age, i think: enya, kenny g, clannad, late tangerine dream. i think they have decidedly different aims, but i'd be hard pressed toi define it. i think of examples as the best way to tell them apart. these are my opinions, though |
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I like enya's sound! its really lush |
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what was new age 10 years ago, might not be today. |
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kenny g is smooth jazz.. i haven't heard late T.G. but their best known music is really great early electronica, they must have really changed a lot to be fit into that new age category. |
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i think the only true differences for us is new age tends to have more vocals and is a phrase we throw around with a lot of contempt, whereas ambient is somehow better because it lacks vocals and isn't popular with housewives (so we like to believe, though this is in fact another instance of ignorance being bliss.. you'd be surprised who listens to your precious ambient, idm, and electronica). |
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i dont think vocals has anything to do with it there is ALOT of instrumental new age. just soundscapes and stuff. and i dont care who listens to it. its just that i woulnt not put aphex twin in the same catagory as the aforementioned... and im trying to understand the reasoning behind it. |
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haha well put, and yes i suppose i was a little off with kenny g, guess i was just associating audiences. late TD is total crap in comparison with their groundbreaking 70s/80s synthsizer work. they stopped doing incredible, innovative stuff around the late eighties and gave way to a sound that's more like weather channel music than anything. what I have heard is pleasant but very forgettable, simply in comparison with their prior grandeur. i don't mind weather channel music or muzak per se when that's what it is, but when a formerly fantastic synth band turns into that, well it doesn't work too well. |
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They've got similar roots in some respects but pretty distinct audiences... New Age is aimed at your Yoga instructor crowd...the meditation crew.. whereas Ambient is just a bit more narcotic... Just say NO to over-reverbed Pan Pipes...and don't buy music from hippy newage shops/Oxfam... |
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oh yeah, you easily identifiy newage music from the cover...if it got a seagulls, a unicorn, rainbows or breaking waves then steer clear... that shit is toxic... |
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big difference imo i love ambient and i can't listen to new age i think ambient is much more electronic sounding (not always though)-speaking for me ambient takes me to another level, while new age makes me nervous :) |
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well, "selected new age works, volume II" would have sounded cheesy, wouldn't it? ' _ ' |
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(Cut'n'Pasted) New Age: Of or relating to a complex of spiritual and consciousness-raising movements originating in the 1980s and covering a range of themes from a belief in spiritualism and reincarnation to advocacy of holistic approaches to health and ecology. Of, relating to, or resembling New Age music. n. A style of modern music characterized by a relaxing or dreamy texture derived from quiet harmonies and drones, often incorporating synthesizers and acoustic and ethnic instrumentation. Ambient music: Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting. |
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Zeus, they are oversimplified labels and stereotypes people use for convience in understanding the world, they are SUBJECTIVE, they are not OBJECTIVE. is track 3 from SAW2 ambient or new age? ... it's both or neither! ten years ago people would give you a different answer, ten years from now people will give a different answer... these are labels people stick onto things to simplifiy and partition our lives, this is normal part of human existence, get used to it...why do you take these things so seriously?!?! and I can't belive you call yourself "IDM", that is one of the silliest labels of all |
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I was playing LP5 for my aunt and she thought corc sounded like new age music. She also thought vose in sounded like something that'd be playing in one of thouse mall boutiques she avoids. I'd say a good rule of thumb is: new age music makes people who aren't completely braindead want to smash kill destroy. jand ".if it got a seagulls, a unicorn, rainbows or breaking waves then steer clear... " LOL fuck yes, sometimes you can judge a book by its cover. |
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New Age = Brian Eno crud Ambient = see webster's |
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Ubik: i call my self IDM on there, cause although its a shit term, its a widely used term that people will understand when they read it. |
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I would call "music for airports" ambient, not new age, nathan. (Jand - loved your depiction of new age) |
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yes... didnt brian eno come up with the term ambient music? |
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I really think genres in genaral are pretty blur. You cant really say that this is ambient and that is that. Har to categorize. |
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Eno may have coined the phrase, but it's not synonomous with new age. New age has the more peaceful Enya wankery style thing going against it. Ambient is quite a good word for a style of music, it's a ambience! I say new age is more a branch of ambience than the other way around. |
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zeus i don't think anyone on this board is too dumb to realize that you're going out of your way to disagree w/ everything i say and agree w/ anyone who disagrees with me, so if you think your act is fooling anyone think again... but pretending to take your response seriously, 1. i only said new age tends to have more vocals, i didn't say "it has vocals" 2. how are soundscapes not ambient? |
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New Age = Brian Eno crud Ambient = see webster's you DO realize brian eno coined the term ambient right?! maybe someone's already shut you down on this thread, i haven't gotten that far yet.. |
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ah zeus got to it first.. yep. you can't brand eno "new age" when he invented the genre of ambient, i mean damn. |
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Aphex is ambient? hardly. sure he came out wit SAW I and II but that does not make him ambient. I would call him strickly electronica or IDM sure... |
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oh, right... he called his music ambient but he's wrong and you're right. gotcha! hehe |
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um ok my post was serious dude. you said new age tends to have more vocals. well, i disagree. almost all of the new age music ive heard had no vocals. the only one i can think of off the top of my head that uses vocals, would be enya. and yes, soundscapes ARE ambient... which is why im trying to figure out the difference... cause they are basically the same thing, but are called different things. im not goin out of my way to disagree with you. you are the one who seems to be goin out of their way, in spite. posting that this topic has been done before. then you mock me by saying my "precious ambient idm and electronica" please, lets not make this into another fight thread, based on something small and stupid. ive had enough of it. |
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"people are really unfriendly here" |
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ok |
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aphex is a lot of things, Amon - that's why he has so many fans I imagine -- there's something for "everyone" :) |
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Eno coined the term ambience, he didn't invent it people! |
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its like milk vs strawberry milk. |
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hehe -- I choose Banana Milkshake! :D |
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Yeah thats the best kind =) |
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new ag,e to me, is a shitty sound on my sound card! |
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hahahahahahahah |
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its kinda true...the sounds used on new age that ive heard is all pretty, whats the word... cheap? its like cheesy, and not well produced imo. like you said, it sounds like it could be made using the general midi from your soundcard... hmmm |
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