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Out of Aphex Twin and Squarepusher, who do you think is more professional with their music in terms of continuity, production, etc? I think Squarepusher is. His songs kind of link in to each other...something Richard's tracks don't. Your opinion? |
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MARLOWE WOZ 'ERE BEFORE YOU! |
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actually i can't stand most square pusher... i think i've got some sorta disease- not that i'm a music snob or anything... but his ego's a LOT bigger than his talent, imo (and i'm not gonna say that i think either of them rich twats are proffessional in any way, shape, or form) |
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I'd say Squarepusher...he's done less skipping about from style to style. And I also think Squarepusher's music has evolved without drasitcally changing. Take for example I Wish You Could Talk and Central Line. Both use the Amen break(I hope I'm not mistaken..), but sound ALOT different. |
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*drastically |
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..but what's Squarepusher without the Amen break? |
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Jesus -- you list those as being GOOD points? his music is samey and he's less experimental is what you're basically saying. |
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So does changing one's musical style imply "unprofessionalism"? I hardly think so. |
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I think it's a bit of a silly question... btw..if we are talking about professionalism..then..hmm..whose music has made it on to more jingles soundtracks etc...all commercial (I read professional entities) RDJ |
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listening to that track flea -- it's fucking hoop-da-looopa! very PROFESSIONAL! :D |
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hehe..thanks marlowe..yer a sweetheart :) mwuah :o |
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I guess what I'm saying is, I don't see a defined style in RDJ's work, but I do in Squarepushers. Of course I know that having a certain style alone doesn't determine professionalism, but to ME, I just find it more professional for a musician to have a style than to muck around in different ones and see which suits them best. It's more like Squarepusher stays in his own line of things, but, IMHO, RDJ does not. |
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talk about close mindedness FLEA -- i can see why it's your fave - I might do a remix of it actually :) |
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ive only recently fully realized squarepusher's true genius (as far as i can tell) him and Afx are both music geniuses, of course, but of different types. Squarepusher is a purcusionist. its what he specializes in.. ..pretty basic song writing (not to say its not good, cus its great at times), but the most interesting aspects/features of his music are almost always rhythmical take Papalon (from Hard Normal Daddy) for examlpe.. listen to it just concentrating on the rhythm section alone... its a masterpeice of subtle percussion..... at every singel second of that song something interesting is going on in the purcussion... (including a clapping solo taht is the best use of clapping samples ive ever heard ever) the fact that it manages to be so subtle, even gentle at times, is amazing considering its own brilliance... it never steals the show the actual jazz song is almost just an excuse to display his amazing talent, but like i said about his song writing before: it's still a great song his genius is hte the subtle details... and of course his super-fast, spastic rhythmic passages (Anirog D9, from HND) that have made him infamous are so percise and complex... ahhhhhh its amazing!!! .....and the way the drums actually carry the melody at times.. ive never heard another artist who can do this so effectively. ..and that cheasiness and childish playfullness? well, hes playfull, yeah but the cheesiness is only superficial.. some of his cheasiest songs are also his most mind-blowing imo... its like the cheesiness is just a disguise or something lol anyways, all im saying is theres no toher artist who can push what are traditionally accompanying rhythmic parts to the point of becoming melody all on thir own so effectively, and of course few can come close to his perciseness/complexity while at the same time subtleness... ahhhhh hes such a genius! |
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uh... wow, i didn't realize how much i wrote lol and oh yeah: i dont know whos more professional i think i'd say squarepusher... go plastic has EXTREMELY slick sounding production, while even aphex's newest stuff sounds sort of low-tech compared to it.... im NOT saying that makes 'pusher better though |
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In terms of professionality neithor of them really act professional. Squarepusher seems to put out the same type of things as he always has, which I suppose is good for some people, but I personally think RDJ's experimentation shows for something. He's tried a lot of different styles an they all came out pretty good. And it all still was identifiably RDJ. I'd like to see SPusher do that... |
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Oh yes, just to clear things up, I never said I prefer Squarepusher over RDJ. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. It's just that when I look at it RDJ's stuff is more scattered than Squarepushers, and, again, IMHO, I find being less scattered is a bit more professional. |
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I M H O |
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no need to re-iterate it ad nauseum. My point was nothing to do with that, you moron. |
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ouch |
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Mine was...But eithor way, take Pink Floyd for example. There work was very scattered, but they were still professional about it... |
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Sorry XIIX - I didn't even see your post :D ;) D: |
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squarepusher owns j00! |
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they are both very pro. I love afx because he conquers one thing and then moves on to the next, thats what real pro artists do he makes amazing ambient, then kick f ing ass drill and bass, then composes "new classical" like his piano tracks, makes fun of main stream hip hop videos with window licker, hes all over the place, conquering styles left to right front to back up and down, he has real tight melodies, hes a really good composer. Then theres square mother fing pusher hes got jazz songs. His drums ace all fools, not to mention his basslines. he doesnt stay on the same tip from album to album he progresses, moves his shit forward, reckin shop along the way. |
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jimisteel -> smartest of this thread ;) |
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I don't see where Squarepusher suddenly got this 'ego' thing Is it when he speaks on his tracks? Telling everyone he wants t orip there face off. Then really...couldn't Richard be accused of the same thing with his 'Come on you Cunt...' and his mum and dad sending him a voice message Please enlighten me |
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"..but what's Squarepusher without the Amen break?" very very good point... |
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I think theres actually a lot of fluctuation is style and experimentation in SP work that Tom is just not geting any credit for..I mean Music is Rotted One Note and Budakhan Mindphone exist in a dimension totallytangential to any of his work before it..as does Go Plastic..and then his track Untitled..now do you know Squarepusher...once again is nothing like anything that precedes it....I know many would say..it's like My Red Hot Car..but no listen to it..it's nothing like it..hence my initial reaction.... this is a silly thread... |
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indeed... i think the questiong that everyone seems to want to debate here is continuity, and i think that afx would be at the low end of that, and sp would be at the highend- and i think IMHOIMHOIMHOIMHOIMHOIMHOIMHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they're both, dangerously uncool extremes OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (everyone should stop posting now) |
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btw, where i said Anirog D9 as an example earlier, i meant Rustic Raver. (yes yes, i know you dont care!) |
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these guys make tunes in their spare time and arse about for most of their life. they fill in time by DJing and playing live (occaisionally). Well, RDJ does anyway... what i'm saying is... They arent proffessionals and i dont think they want to be... |
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you said it WC |
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I'm glad we cleared this one up. I woldn't want to listen to unproffesional music. |
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are you saying they aren't serious about music?? just cus they fool around and aren't as pretentious as say autechre doesn't mean they aren't professionals... ...to think that music is just some way to spend spare time for them is ridiculus! music must be incredibly important to anyone makes music like this! just cus they have senses of humor and aren't snobby about being musicians doesn't mean they aren't seroius... and you can tell for sure from interviews that squarepusher is very serious about it.. ....with RDJ its kinda harder to tell cus he fucks around a lot with interviews n shit but oh well hes just a playful, even childish at times, genius ...still a genius its not like he (either one) just pulls this music out of his ass |
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Jimmy Neutron owns j00! |
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they have different professions as do everyone else |
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