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Yeah, it does talk about globalisation heralding the end of the world... |
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we also have 1 and 2 cent coins... btw, we had the both currencies for the first two months.... |
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Too many morons on this board: i mean how can you expect to have an intelligent conversation with people who say "fuck the euro" and "fuck the government"? How did you buy the pc you're using silly fool, if you have a heart attack what institution is financing the Ambulance/Hospital/Doctors that might save your life. The euro is a huge step forward towards the constituion of a united europe with no national/ethnic or cultural boundaries... Maybe you should ask your grandpa about the second world war or are you blessed with selective amnesia? |
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"no national/ethnic or cultural boundaries"-don't know about this i don't mind common market and economy but we must be careful not to forget about our culture i might miss understood your point, if so please excuse me |
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We should take care to preserve regional/cultural specifities in Europe. I really meant that the loosening of cultural boundaries (more exchange programs between universities, huge musical events...) should be encouraged as to root at nationalistic and popularist tendancies that are backward and xenophobic. The rueo does just that: it permits greater economic and human fluidity (i can just pop over to spain or italy and have no currency problems) and truly generates a sense of community. I agree with anti-globalisation people when it comes to the imposing of a single liberal ideology (in that sense i am anti-eu) or cultrual standardisation, but i really think that it is up to us to fight against that by spreading many cultures through the use of the jewels of globalisation (the internet, fast transportation of goods and human beings...) Is that a satisfying answer? |
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"Maybe you should ask your grandpa about the second world war or are you blessed with selective amnesia? " Sorry if I missed your point, but surely WW2 suggests that most people didn't (don't) want a united europe? Do we really need another superpower like the USA? |
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very satisfaying hehe but as i see it it could be problem for smaller nations (like ours) to preserve cultural background but i agree with major part of what you think |
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i don't think that europe can ever become superpower-not like US anway and i wouldn't like to see that neither |
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The second world war was generated by the politcal blunderings of a ruling class and by the mania of certain fascist regimes (and their followers). I don't think the ordinary european in those days wanted to see half his family blown apart on the battle fields, his country invaded or his way of life ruined! In any case it serves as a lesson to us all: never to repeat the mistakes or perpetrate the crimes of the first half of last century. The EU can only be a safeguard against terror of this kind. Many anti-globalisation people are actually closet nationalists/xenophobes as they subbonly refuse the opening of national boundaries and the creation of a greater world spirit... |
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yeah problem is, that's been happening since america dropped bread on our countries in ww2. you know, americanization. we'll never be able to pay off the marshall plan debt and the euro doesn't do any good to the preservation of individual culture as well. the european culture is what we must be looking for |
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MistahKurtz. "how can you expect to have an intelligent conversation with people who say..." YAWN, been there before and I stated I can't be assed with it. "How did you buy the pc you're using silly fool" I didnt, my work did, I built the two I have at home myself. You see I used to teach people how to build and repair PCs... out of work minors and the like to get them back into work, am I a moron now cunt? "if you have a heart attack what institution is financing the Ambulance/Hospital/Doctors that might save your life" My nicotine addiction... *yawn* "The euro is a huge step forward towards the constituion of a united europe with no national/ethnic or cultural boundaries" Wow spin, it was devised to stop a third world war between the contrys inside europe, it's outdated and the laws being made are shit. I hate the UK and I hate Europe more. Dude, I cant be assed... |
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I agree tolstoyed, the strengh of Europe lies in its diplomatic rather than militaristic approach to problems such as Iraq. The US is still rooted in a "religion-state" backward way of seeing things: a bit like the european nations in the 19th century. There is the enemy and the friend, the good and evil... no nuances... |
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Here Here, MistahKurtz. WW2 does not suggest that people don't want a united Europe! It suggests that people don't want a crazed-meglomaniac dictator to INVADE their countries against their will and slaughter millions......Jesus! Is that not an incredibly simple distinction to make?! |
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Okay Spikee you can't be assed! So why do you answer my post then? Just crawl back into bed and be indifferent to the world if thats what you want... At least when one sleeps one makes no sound :-) |
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Yes but how do we stop there being any "crazed-meglomaniac dictators" in the future Isaac? By creating binding forces between nations so they cannot afford to EVER declare war on each other again! With the EU here i doubt there will ever be another western European war. |
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So it take it you made every single component within your PC yourself ? And you made these components from materials that you made from scratch ? ground sillicon and so on ? fuckin' moron |
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I cant be assed but I wanted my last say, as did you. just keep kidding yourself you have one up on me and you will be fine. I do look forward to sleeping as with my mental condition it's the only way I can fully relax. Thanks. |
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That's what I'm saying, MistahKurtz. I agree with you, but unfortunately I think that the UK won't go into Europe because there are far too many closet nationalists in this county who live 100years in the past and are so moronic they take their political stance from piss-poor tabloid newspapers such as The Sun, doing and voting whatever way Rupert Murdoch (an Australian by the way) tells them to. |
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"Many anti-globalisation people are actually closet nationalists/xenophobes as they subbonly refuse the opening of national boundaries and the creation of a greater world spirit... " If the majority of people in a country feel that way (no matter how "wrong" you think that POV is) you must respect that. Otherwise you're for cultural homogenisation which is arguably worse... Isaac: What's the difference of being ruled by someone you don't want as a ruler in a far off land that got there by force or by politics? Not much, 50 years after the war/takeover. Cultural homogenisation is, bad bad BAD! |
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No problem... |
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I never said I did, your a bit stupid really to think I meant that. |
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but most of westeren european countries are already in nato- so i don't think its the right way to see this uniteing as precaution not to start new wars |
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I totally agree Isaac, but there are not just in Britain: over here with have that fuck-wit Jean Marie Le Pen up our arses...But the French press is better :-) |
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It just shows you fail to see the point... |
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Nato is a puppet organisation created during the cold war to serve US interests versus the Soviet Union. We didn't need the US to start the EC and then the EU. They are organisations totally independent from US hegemony... |
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I got it and your preaching to the wrong dragon. |
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I agree Ceri JC, but people often fail to see the point that the tools that are used to extend a single culture can also be used to create diversity thus destroying the former! Just look at the internet: you get websites like Microsoft.com or Disney that promote a single culture, and then you get aphextwin.nu --> diversity of opinion :-) |
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For someone who "can't be arsed" you're being pretty articulate. "am I a moron now cunt" ok maybe articulate isn't quite the term I'm looking for. If you want to have the last word please just say so and I'll shut up. Last thing I want is for this pointless sub-debate (I wouldn't call it a debate really) to continue any longer. |
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it's terrible in austria! 10 euros are like 100 schillings (7,26 euros)!!! all things are much more expensive! |
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Yes yes Tony, Very noble of you.. *swishes his tail and pads off* |
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yeap, and germany will be poorer ... |
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Fight Fight Fight! ;) |
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Thats strange, over here everything was converted to its exact price in euros (apart from a cup of cofee at a café that went up by 10 cents)... |
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It basically comes down to an Economic choice for us Brits. Once Europe forms it will become a massive Economic power which will no longer be willing to trade with Britain when they can trade with eachother with the same currency, not having to pay conversion charges to sterling. The UK won't be able to survive alienated by Europe so many believe we'll be fine cos of our 'special relationship ' with the US. Bullshit. Logistically it just doesn't make sense, America aren't gonna pander to our needs and who wants to keep being George Dubya's fucking lap-dog anyway?!! I know where I'd rather be..... |
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Way to go Isaac! Any thoughts on George Michael? |
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lol "good puppy, good puppy" |
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US would maintain their friendship for the following military reasons alone: Airstrip 1 - Ideal for lanching an attack on european countries. Special Forces - The yanks love using our special forces (SAS, SBS) theirs are nowhere near as good and have further to be shipped in for campaigns. |
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Exactly Ceri, so why stick with them only to be taken advantage of? Cos that will be our only option if we reject Europe. Sometimes I think the only reason people wanna join the Yanks is cos they speak English!! How small-minded is that? Xenophobic even.... As for George Michael - he can fuck off to America, I hear they wanna string him up anyway, they're just saving us the bother. |
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I prefer Europe to America, I just don't want to be in a trade alliance with countries like Greece and Spain. |
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What's happened to your 'humanitarian' side now?! |
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What's humanitarian about throwing money to countries that (and this is really going to get people's backs up) leech up funds and use them poorly? Before you call me ill informed I've seen first hand how inefficiently the Greek government have made use of grants from the EU that were to be used to conserve the endangered turtle species carreta carreta. It went on lazy people who sat in huts on the beach and didn't do their job. They basically (ab)used the grant as a way of cutting their own unemployment figures and broke the law by allowing people to kill turtles purely because it was good for tourism. |
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I don't think the so-called bigger EU countries are gonna let the likes of Greece waste all their money. And anyway, rather that than watching our Prime Minister run round the world on an errand for George Dubya, trying to rally international support for a war that nobody wants except for some gung-ho yanks. |
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gung-ho cowboys more to the point. Dubya's an Texan isn't he ? |
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being naturally national is good i think. |
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I agree that the current situation with the US isn't a great deal better, but at least it's using the military (putting to use something that usually just sits round) rather than heavily draining funds. Spain didn't want greece to join the EU, mainly because it would be another "poor" country competing for funds. Bit of an indication that Spain is currently getting a sweet deal at more developed countries expense? |
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Well he sure is pardner, worst pollution and highest rate of executions in the good 'ole US of A. |
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Being naturally national can in some circumstances be good, but in most it just makes you short-sighted. You ask most anti-Europe supporters in this country why they want to keep the pound and invariably they say, "Cos its got the Queens head on it and we'll lose our sovereignty" Who gives a fuck??!! What has British sovereignty done for me? With the Queen spending my hard-earned taxes and garden parties and shit! I'd rather see the Queen's head on a stick. |
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You can't be serious, Ceri? You'd rather use the military for a pointless unpopular war because otherwise they are 'sitting around'?! If every army in the world sat around, the world will probably be a more peaceful place. |
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It costs the average briton 56p per year to keep the royal family. They bring in far more than that in terms of tourism. Perhaps they shouldn't be such an attraction, but for some reason they are and as such are a financial asset to the U.K. That said I'm not a particular fan of flag waving patriotism either... |
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I don't conform to the argument that without the Royal Family, the British Tourist trade would collapse. Rubbish. Last year the Royals spent in the region of £120,000 on cultlery! Cutlery!!?! What about the homeless and the millions of more deserving causes in this country? |
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