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hate to say it but I told you so about the current US backed Afghan regime..how those involved have worse human rights violation records than all of Taliban put together...and here they strike again..I believe I specifically named Dostum as well Massacre: Dostum ready for probe KABUL, Aug 30: Afghan warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum has rejected accusations that some 1,000 Taliban prisoners suffocated while in his custody and pledged to cooperate with any investigation into the deaths. Dostum, in a joint statement with two other senior Northern Alliance commanders, admitted that some 200 Taliban followers died in containers while they were being shipped to a prison at his northern Shebarghan stronghold last year after a lengthy siege in the city of Kunduz. But the statement said the deaths were mainly as a result of injuries sustained by the prisoners in the fighting at Kunduz and emphasized that their deaths were not intentional. "The operation of sending prisoners to Shebarghan prison continued for four days. In no case were any prisoners killed. In no case was there any intention that they should die in containers," it said. "It was of our utmost interest and that of the international coalition to interrogate the prisoners." The commanders listed suffocation as one of several causes of the 200 deaths they accepted. "Most of (the deaths) were due to wounds suffered in the fighting but also due to disease, suffocation, suicide and a general weakness after weeks of intense fighting and bombardment." A report by Newsweek magazine earlier this month cited a witness quoted in an internal United Nations memorandum who said some 960 people died in the containers. The memorandum said their bodies were now buried in the sands of Dasht-i-Leili, near Shebarghan. But the statement, which was also signed by the powerful Tajik commander Atta Mohammad and local Hazara leader Sardar Mohammad Sahidi, said that "we believe these numbers are totally inaccurate". The statement said |
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The statement said that United Nations investigators and human rights teams had been given full access to the site. "We have been open to the best of our ability about the numbers and events.... Both the UN and Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) have never confirmed the numbers." Initial investigations by the UN on a handful bodies have determined that they died of suffocation.-AFP |
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the cruelty that humans are capable of inflicting on one another truly disgusts me |
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how can the world be so wrong |
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uuughhhhhh why am i NOT surprised. and why doesn't the MEDIA focus on this kind of butality???? and how much more goes on that we DON"T ever hear about =/ imperfect world we live on.....with imperfect men! |
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damn straight |
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i saw bush on news today he's complete moron i'd be embarrassed to have a representative like that-not that our is any better |
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....and now that they got rid of their common enemy they can start butchering eachother. Oh and the remaining Taliban supporters can join the fighting once the international soldiers are gone. Yes, it's far from perfect.... :( |
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Why cant we just sleep forever? |
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it was reported on the BBC and here in New Zealand...but I think this stuff is being jammed out of US airwaves |
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it is....cos this is the FIRST i've seen of it! and whats this whole thing with going to war with IRAQ?? is he nuts.....why.....why now....i mean this whole warmongering is really disguisting and i hope the american people don't go along with this. saddam is an evil man.....but who's to say we should go in and kill him..... the policies we have just perpetuate war and killing and it makes me sick =/ |
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down here we get news from every where..regular US broadcasts, BBC, Deutche TV, French, Australian..etc..puts me in kind of a position to see the descrepencies..the US veiwer are getting about 10% of what BBC gets..which puts on about 10% of the truth |
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and war with IRAQ..the entire world is opposed to it as is several US leaders including Bill Clinton...all the EU are stepping away from it...do you want some links? |
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i heard on today's news that american politicians have different ideas how to attack iraq-but they all agree that attack is unavoidable |
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yea post some links please....i'm interested in a complete view of things! |
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ok..let me put my searching cap on :) I just saw a thing about Clinton being opposed to an attack... |
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clinton is NOT my favourite guy.....but i'll read these articles ..... thanks for posting the links!! i too think war w/iraq is envitable now =/ |
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and for good measure..a little background and the effects of the sanctions on Iraq |
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Clinton is not my favourite guy either...he encouraged the bombing and sactions to go on and on iin Iraq..but's sign of dissent in the Iron Clad regime governing US of today..it's a ray of hope.. |
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Something need to be done on usa's power, the rest of the world need to stand up against it. The situation now is unaceptible , they can't handle it with honour. They (bush and his cru) can do whatever they want and nobody can't do shit about it.It scares me. It is never a good idea to give the most powerful position in the world to a man who can't tie his own shoes. |
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he has effectively managed to circum navigate all the democratic processes of the US Senate and Congress with his new home defence bill...US is currently the biggest totalitarian state in existence |
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it scares me too =/ i think the US takes this whole super power thing too seriously!! |
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how does it feel to be american right now? what do the us people think of all this? i mean also the "normal" people :) |
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Americans think they are the BEST in the world.....and sadly few think of other countries! there is a minority that do think of the entire globe.....but unfortunatley they are not as well financed as the warmongers in this country. i've always held a different view of things......more pragmatic i think.....but i don't agree with our idea that we are the BEST......and that what we SAYS goes. but sadly it seems as though there is not much opposition from other world governments. |
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EU should unite to invade USA and the white house....smack them around a bit..and then replace Bush with an old and wise native american! REVOLUTION!!!! =) I think perhaps the situation would have been better now if there was a female US president instead. |
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it really has been bothering me alot. i can't understand how can it be when you see your home country doing stuff like this. i have relatives in israel, and i asked from them about the situation, but it didn't seem to concern them at all. this is really bothering me somehow. |
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but then the media would just tell everyone how horrible hats she wears |
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they would focus on her CLOTHES not her policies....i can see it now. i would settle for a president with a BRAIN!! =0) |
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yeah haha!! true.. |
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i mean, after we got a female president here in finland it seems that while she has a very low profile nothing really is done and only things that are in the papers of her seem to concern her clothes |
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i'm not sure if we will always have an ol' white guy for prez or not =/ i do believe a female prez would lessen the likelihood (sp?) of war-waging ;) i don't want another rumsfeld =( |
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But i hear she is making it big in foreign countries. In swedish papers they showed the group pictures from the world conferance thingy and of all the world leaders she was the one standing next to clinton .Maybe that was his way of showing he encourages female presidents or more women in politics cause i know he does .or maybe he was just being horny as usual. Anyways , it was a big deal in the papers. |
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yeah, that is true but she is quite neutral anyhow. and i meant that the trashier papers just write about her clothing but thats what the people read |
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Hey we had Maggie and she was a nasty peice of work so forget the gender thing. The media is concerned with money, so you can't guarantee impartiality. Ah man. (& woman) The USA supports terrorism. The Northern Alliance are the bad guys, the Taliban are also the bad guys, hey. Shit. I dunno... I'm aware of it all, but it just makes me a cynical fucker. |
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Yeah but Maggie was a psycho!!! She actualy wanted to use nuclear weapons (i dont remember on what country) |
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Probably argentina. Anyway, it is very dangerous situation where america thinks it can do what i wants (and it probably can). People really need to put the Bush admin in its place, and i dont want that to be a load of terrorists. |
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Exactly... That's why stuff like 9/11 will happen again... Politicians playing games...:.( |
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And we are the pawns. Its a bit sick that Bush probably sees a country full of oil to be controlled worth a load of innocent people dying. |
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donald rumsfeld is the one who seems to be chiefly responsible for rallying up war |
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how vocal is russia these days? I remember flea posting bout russia opposing strikes against iraq quite vocally? |
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mr. putin is on vacation |
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"convenient" :) |
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I know what you are saying isn't serious, but being a country that doesn't take shxt has its pluses. I don't think anyone could ever invade the US with destroying themselves in the action. As you all know, guns are pretty popular in America and having the most powerful military does make it easier to not be pushed around. And I'm not too sure on the subject, but why isn't Sadam just asassinated in a secret operation. Invasion just doesnt make sense when its going to kill tons of people and destroy their homes. From what I understand its possible to kill him alone, but there is some reason i was told that it doesn't happen. Some UN thing I think. |
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How are guns going to fight clouds of anthrax, or other nasty biological agents? |
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hehe i hate to tell all you guys who think women will be 'kinder and gentler' than men politicans....they'd be the SAME way. you have to think that people would be saying they(women) don't have the 'guts' to get business done....and we all know how psychology works!! flea....read the articles and actually saw something on CNN headline news about clinton (puke) saying something about using caution with iraq and getting congressional approval before the guns start blazing. we'll see what a rubber stamp congress is in the near future i suppose. the articles showed me that 'other' leaders may indeed condem the US actions and attitude toward iraq...they are not in a position to defy the will of the US. =/ ----- for the person that asked about assisination.....it's NOT sanctioned by any government or the UN. so it's essentially an illegal act. HOWEVER we all know how someone can accidently on purpose get SHOT and end of problem. |
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i consider myself a non-confrontational person, and think it would be nice to live in a country that was non-confrontational as well... |
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when you find that country/planet/solar system....lemmie know ;o) |
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hehehe, yes....if i'm so lucky to find it i will tell you. :) |
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