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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 02:44 [#00299769]
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you know, you shouldnt be into music for an image... and im not... but i think we're just lucky to be into a genre thats so fucking cool. I mean, its got this underground thing goin on... so its kind of mysterious... it is trippy, with all the electronic references... (artowkr like autechres is one example) and the whole idea of creating music on a computor, with equipment... very personalized.
I just love the whole image/culture of it all...
but perhaps i just love it, because i love the music.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 02:49 [#00299772]
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*artwork
man... fucked that one up!
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Dozier
from United States on 2002-07-07 02:59 [#00299780]
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I definitely love the music, and I like the underground-ness, but at times it's frustrating, especially for us not in the UK. I don't know another single person that likes this music like I do (that I know in person), there are no shows or clubs to go to around here to listen to it, etc..
It's really a catch-22, because I wouldn't want it to get mainstream either. Oh well.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 03:03 [#00299781]
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well yeah...
but i like the undergroundness... having to work to find a good record... not having it stocked everywhere...
but mainly the idea of doin it yourself... or just one other person. I dont know...
i dont think im making sense... at least not getting exactly what i mean across..
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Dozier
from United States on 2002-07-07 03:07 [#00299784]
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I agreed wholeheartedly with everything you've said. I just wanted to add that at times the very things that've made it cool for me have also made it frustrating.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-07-07 03:20 [#00299789]
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i love electronic music and other music for all the right reasons
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-07 03:21 [#00299790]
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I dont think I'm really in the 'culture' of it, as i like lots of different music and electronica is just one of the many, so its quite weird for me. I'm sure others are like this.
Although saying that, the music that I've bought lately has mostly been electronica - maybe I HAVE been infected :-O
oh dear, that will never do!
I'd best go buy the rest of the nofx albums, i need to get snow patrol too, hopefully they will save me! woo, posting at 3:22 in the morning - can't beat the feeling......
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 03:44 [#00299806]
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Is there really a sub-culture for electronic music? Is it really that small? What defines electronic music? N'Sync is almost 100% electronic. So is Enya. So is EuroDance and nineinchnails and the sound track to Hard To Kill and the laundry soap jingle and... If you're refering to "rave music"/"techno" you're still talking about music that doesn't have any cohesive demographic of listeners. I think they are a thin and scattered group of people who hunt down and aquire the music on an individual self-interest level I think the group of fans on this mb are more connected by their interest in expressing themselves over the internet than the music they listen to.
I hate squarepusher. I love Plaid. They toured together (and sqrpshr couldn't get across the boarder...ha!)
What does that say about the cohesiveness of even lable mates?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 04:14 [#00299843]
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i love how everyone gets all detailed about general statements.
of course it is subject to differences... but i mean over all... electronic music as a whole.
there is a subculture... i belive there is very much.
yeah nsync is all electronic you smart ass... dont try and be clever.. you know damn well what i was talking about
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 04:15 [#00299847]
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and i do listen to other types of music... but i would definatly say im a electronic music hardcore fan
i love it
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:16 [#00299850]
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I was being serious. What would you describe as elements of "electronic music culture"?
I mean apart from the fact that we all have the same or similar CDs in our collection?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-07 04:20 [#00299856]
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i dunno what music i like most....
I know how it feels to make a general statement and then watch as it is reduced to nothing, through a detailed analysis.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:21 [#00299858]
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I love the electronica sub genre thing going on here with IDM or whathaveyou. NO OTHER...and I repeat NO OTHER type of music has artwork as sophisticated and utterly unique as ours. You see some skanky hip hop cover with all the guys on it all folding their arms with the group name 'spraypainted' on the front? boy thats really creative!
We have Designer's Rep. which I really like by the way wether you guys think the style is old or not. and just the music itself is nice. not too mention some of the sweetest ever haircuts all our fav guys have! boy some have sweet hair cuts....
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:22 [#00299859]
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Art describes / defines the culture. Music describes the culture. Rave and IDM...two different cultures. Two different styles of art. Two wholely different attitudes (usually).
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:23 [#00299860]
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Okay. Album desing is far superior in this genre. From sleek to swank it's all there (though I think Funkstrong are pushing it a little far...) Reminds me of old New Order and Factory graphics are on a comeback!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 04:24 [#00299861]
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its kind of an image...
you dont see cheerleaders or jocks listening to electronic music (for the most part)
the "image" im talking about... is kinda like... you know bums kinda.. haha... like hooded sweaters... beanies... etc (GENERALIZATION I KNOW)
i like that.
and the images associated with electronic music... computor images, or surreal images
you cant tell me you have absolutly no visual perception of electronic music.
the look of a stage covered in nothing but keyboards and wires.... thats a wonderful site
home studios with all sorts of gear...
this is what im talking about
(again... im GENERALIZATIONS)
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:25 [#00299862]
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if thats good than good
*doesn't know what those two look like*
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:25 [#00299863]
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still related to our CD collections. Ask me about the haircuts in 5 - 10 years. Remember Duran Duran?
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:27 [#00299868]
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You know what I hate? I mean I LOATHE this so much.
Lady from some pop band "you gotta do your own thing. gotta like what you like"
o.o
uhh...if you 'gotta do your own thing' than why are you making music everyone ELSE is making? That's just so wrong. Thats whats confusing the young kids of today! do your own thing but follow the crowd.
wha..?
o.o
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:28 [#00299869]
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LOL @ Deadwhitespoon.
Sean's haircut will never go out of style...NEVER
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 04:30 [#00299872]
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well... not to be completely evil here... but I cant say i agree 100%
some people are just raised with pop music.. and dont even know that other types of music exists... so making pop music is thier dream... its possible it connects with them emotionally...
but yeah, for the most part pop is evil and is just people trying to be cool etc
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:38 [#00299881]
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totally...
I guess thats my point (if I have one) is that I see culture spreading two different ways:
1) a group of all-alikes follow what the machine says. They all dress the same buy the same group of brands, shop in the same malls, watch the same tv shows, have the same colour scheme. When the machine says "Green is out, Orange is in" they all jum at the same time
2) a group of only-slightly-alikes all think for themselves, but communicate together in a common exchange of ideas. One group member discovers this old bakery with the best olive-bread and they all try it. Most like it, but some don't and that's cool cause the shop also has this great walnut bread that they like too. One group member checks out this FourTet album and loves it. Plays it for his friends and some love it, some like it, some don't quite get it, but ask him about his Brian Eno album.
The first group has their culture designed for them. They lose the ability to think and choose and to participate in their own world.
The second group think for themselves and develop their own personal micro-cultures. In groups you would never guess that they would have similar tastes in anything because they differ in so many small and insignificant ways.
Electronic music is very much like this. Every one has their own taste, and the genre is so rich in texture and dynamic that it's hard to compare Ae to Boc to DjShadow to the Funk_Master. They're all so completely different and so are we.
[sorry 'bout the essay there, too much gasoline get's my fingers shakin']
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 04:41 [#00299884]
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"it's hard to compare Ae to Boc to DjShadow"
yes... but its still in its own kind of subculture... there is on a whole... common characteristics... of course they are different... but again, i was talking about electronic music as a whole.
there are even more subcultures of electronic music...
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:45 [#00299894]
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It's reasuring to connect actively like that, but everything you say could be said about the indie rock scene. They're just as esoteric and snobbish as (we) are, and they all have their own emo speak and cool band names that no one else knows and secret little mbs with messages about how cool their music is and how they are never understod by anyone outside of their own little culture...but are the Pixies cooler than the Replacements are cooler than Blsck Rebel Motorcycle Club are cooler than titsworth?
perhaps they just love it because they love the music.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-07 04:47 [#00299898]
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true...
but dammit why couldnt my statement jut be taken simply and innocently
i love electronic music i love the image that I beleive goes with it i love the ideals and concepts
all selfmade i suppose... i thought there would be others here that understood...
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:47 [#00299900]
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Deadwhite: if its okay with you, could i use your post to show my friends to explain to them about electronica / pop? that was a great post. so true
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-07 04:52 [#00299909]
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'course, Amon'.
And, actually Zeus, Electronic music kicks ass and cooks your brain more than any other music!!! Afx kicks Wagners wimpy German ass all over the centuries!
I was just grasping for defining elements that bind us all together in this phreaky zone.
'peace'
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