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I was just looking on Amazon for the soundtrack to the new Star Wars film (released Tuesday here), and I noticed that it mentioned the following:- 'This CD includes anti-copying technology that is intended to prevent unlawful copying of the CD with a PC. This may affect playability of the CD on certain computer devices such as PCs and gaming platforms.' ....is this something new? |
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it's not new but it is very wrong |
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I usually use Media Player to copy cds onto my computers harddrive - so that I haven't got to keep changing the cd. Does this technology prevent this? And will this technology bring about the end of gadgets such as MP3 players eventually? |
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i've heard that in diablo 2 there is something that actually stpos the laser from reading/writing the info...i was at a friends trieng the theroy out...and it didn't copy...but i know that there's ways around it... think of it like this...if it's burnt onto any medium in the first place...then it's can be reburnt...i sugest for anyone who's having troubles /w this, to get "clone CD" a great blind read/write cd copier... |
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It won't play in your PC. It means the CD is defective, it doesn't qualify as an "audio CD", don't buy it, download it from someone who circumvented the protection. |
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My hi-fi equipment is hooked up to my PC though, presumably if I wanted, I could simply record any cd tracks like these via my soundcards 'line in' and save them as MP3 or WAV |
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i hope this will not prevent me copying to my minidisc recorder. |
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Yes, do that and return the CD saying it doesn't work in your CD player |
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Sneaky!! And then you could transfer the files to an MP3 player that way as well couldn't you? |
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Yep :) We must do something about these defective CDs... |
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*smiles* |
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AntiCopying stuff is *so* lame... Why do they bother?...it just inconveniences people who have actually paid for the disc...It only takes one person to make a decent copy and put it on any file sharing system so they'll never be able to stop that... Record Companies need to embrace the new possibilites rather than try and control things so much... (Wasn't the European (NON-UK) version of drukqs come with this copy protection lark..on ZOMBA, I think??....totally pointless, as MP3s were on the net 6 months before the fuckng release anyway... from what I heard, AFX wasn't informed this was happening and wasn't too pleased when he found out...)... |
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it's a shame the music industry cares more about money than good music. |
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It wont stop you recording it to MD bwahah another reason why its beter than MP3 players |
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since cd's must be at least capable of being played, there is no doubt a possibility to make your cd-drive play it. druqks came with cd-protection, first it didnt work, i updated my driver at , it worked perfectly. usually the protection is cracked long before it comes out; also check out or sharekey . i hope the links work... |
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it's one. |
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The new ones are much 'better' protected. Besides, we shouldn't have to rely on hackers to play our CDs... |
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true... but 20 years of research haven't brought up a protection yet, so i doubt there will ever be one. i bought a cd yesterday, which came out 2 weeks ago and it also said "protected"; i dunno what the protection was, it worked perfectly. maybe 'twas a bluff. still nobody can prevent you from downloading, and if they were at 8-10 ? and not fucking 20? i'd probably buy more and dl less. |
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MD > MP3???...MD makes a nice replacement for tape but I think MP3's in general are much better in terms of convience, quality & usability... You can get far better quality from a well encoded MP3 than with MD's ATRAC compression scheme...and having only around 80 mins on one MD seems a bit wack (and those 2x & 4x modes work by downing the quality...)...These new netMD walkmans from SONY look interesting but it's still basically a MD with the ability to record MP3s at faster than realtime... Sizewise, MD players seem pretty close to decent MP3 players...I've got a MP3CD walkman and that suits me fine; a good 10 hrs of hiquality stuff on one disc & it plays CD's as well so I'm well happy with it...bigger than a MD player obviously but not a problem for me... Give it a year and Ipod-Alike MP3 HardDisk players will drop to well below MD prices...still a little pricey at the mo but it's only a matter of time... |
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reminds me of this idea they had... paying mp3s... lol |
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The new Celine Dion has the latest protection, it can crash your PC if you try to play it... |
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i compared the spectra of a 160kbps VBR encoded mp3 (using the new lame encoder, came with cdex) and the wav (where i filtered out the >19khz) and there was no difference measurable. the track was bine/confield, which usually is very bad for mp3's. those programming guys now seem to be able to handle the problems that made mp3 so shitty a few years ago. i compared it also on my stereo (which wasn't too expensive) and i couldn't hear any difference. (at 160kbps) |
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do you know how it works? |
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The discs are protected against digital copying using Key2Audio technology developed by the Sony DADC unit: During glass mastering, several special hidden signatures, similar to a unique fingerprint, are applied outside the music data area. These signatures can neither be duplicated by CD-R/RW burners, nor by professional glass mastering systems. Audio discs protected with the current version cannot be recognised by standard CD/DVD-ROM, CD-R and CD-RW drives, thus they do not play on PC, Apple Macintosh or other systems equipped with CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-ROM and DVD-R devices. This ensures the highest efficiency currently available. Due to the fact that key2audioâ„¢ protected discs do not play on PC, no ripping is possible. Analogue copies, on the contrary, can be made to any analogue devices. (eg MC). |
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fuck the recordcompanys! they are just scared because they know it's all over soon. traditional recordcompanys will fade away. i promise. you'll see. |
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cool...the Lame encoder is one of the best, if not the best, encoder out there...and it's a toss up between EAC & CDEX when it comes to top quality ripping (CDEX is easier to use, EAC can be a bit complex but does a slightly better job on difficult CDs with errors on em)... it's certainly easier to create hiqual MP3's nowadays...not so many 128kbs rips about & the quality of the encoders have improved no end... I guess filesize was a priority when MP3s got going on the internet to start with but now more people have got faster access, it's not such an issue... The ability to choose between quality & filesize is one of the best features of MP3s, I think...theres not many formats that have this sort of ability to be all things to all people... |
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so what does prevent me from ripping the analogue copy? maybe search kazaa if it's there, i'm sure it is. there are also several .dll's that make your cd-rom capable of simulating an ordinary cd-player, and since it has to be played, there will be a way for ripping. anbyways, protecting celine dion is NO problem for me. maybe she prevents herself from getting spread to vast... that would be fine tho |
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there actually has to be only one fucking person in the whole world who successfully rips it; take gantz graf ep, it started with a single copy and now everybody who is interested has it. hungrig, your right, definitly. |
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HA! slowly approaching #500 |
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They don't seem to realise that a lot of people wanna listen to music on their PCs...if they want to alienate this section of their customers then fine, it'll only cause people to download the MP3s from whereever and not bother buying the CD at all... And they wonder why people are buying less CDs!!!... I'm a thick bastard but even I can see how stupid a scheme this is...so stupid, in fact, that I reckon record companies are gonna turn CDs into a format no-one wants, just so they can bring out a new format that has hardcore Copy-Protection built-in (which it'll be illegal to "circumvent or reverse-engineer" - check the Digital Millienium Copyright Act (DMCA) for more info..)...I'm bet they secretly wish CDs had never been invented now that they understand more fully the issues involved in Digital formats... |
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forgive me if i pass on that one :) |
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Doesn't anyone here like Celine Dion? hehe ;) |
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There is technology like this on Shakira's new CD to stop you MP3ing it. One day they'll realise it's tupid as anyone can easily get around it by plugging the line out into the line in, recording it as a 44khz .wav then do whatever they like with it with no discernable loss of quality. One would hope that people in the music industry would be tech enough to spot this, oh well... |
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For now that is true. In the industry's future, everything is digital right down to your speakers and monitor/tv, so you'd have to either record the sound coming out of them or place a camera in front of your tv-set to capture the output. and of course everything is encrypted, so eavesdropping won't do. there will probably be ways around this, but nothing so feasible as just pressing record. |
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At some stage though, music must be "hearable". As long as we keep and maintain current technology, we will always have a way of recording it. Even if future PCs get rid of line ins (can't see how Sony et all would convince Creative of doing that) current ones will still be able to record all music. |
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There's no way they could convince the judge to force manufacturers to disable the analoge line ins and outs. If that was the case, how on earth could musicians record music in the first place? Highly unlikely... |
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I know, what I said was to prove that there never will be *effective* copy protection on music. |
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Why would anybody need to be forced to do anything? The big electronic companies are very much in bed with the big content providers. And of course, there will never be 100% effective anti copying measures, but they will severly restrict the way most people get to handle their media. That anlaog lines will disappear from standard consumer equipment is not an uneducated guess by me, it's a fact. |
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if record companies made records cheaper (and they can) they wouldn't have anything to worry about. i would be buying a lot of music instead of waiting hours to download 5 tracks. |
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Nope, there'll always be some rogue companies (like those that make MP3 players now) that just cover their stuff in disclaimers saying it's only to make compilations/backups/record your own music, that will provide the facility. |
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Not if the ones providing the content haven't given that manufacturer license to decode their material. You would need the right keys etc. Even if you could make equipment that circumvented this, it would probably be illegal, and those companies wouldn't last for long. This is the future. People should wake up and take action now. Support your local EFF chapter for example, they're about the only ones fighting this. And of course.. you will always have the option to make inferior analog copies (like placing a mic infront of your speakers). Better watermarking techniques would probably make this a bit risky too, as one would be able to trace the copies too you. |
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EFF? |
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What about ear and eye encryption, would that be possible? That way you can't even hear music that your friend purchased. Of course there are ways to circumvent it but it would be illegal and we would immediately get caught because of the built-in GPS transmitters. This is the future :) |
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I'll be really annoyed if I have to pay to listen to music I've made... |
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LOL |
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Still there's always the option of disgusing our tapes as robots eagles or panthers... |
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yeah that's funny.. but there are plans for this already. just check out mpeg21 framework. |
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"When a CD is not a CD Philips, because of conformity issues, has warned the record labels that the discs are actually not CDs at all and must bear warning labels to inform consumers" read about it here: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-817937.html I think it's great from Philips to go out and force labels on "CDs" that are protected. Then you know which ones not to buy. -P |
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Interesting topic. If memory serves,Natalie Imbruglia's latest cd LP,was the first to feature this technology.This reminds me of the hometaping phenomena of the early 80's...the logo of a skull and crossbones with the words "Home Taping is Killing Music"...major record co's are always in fear,but they still make an obscene amount of money.(remember cd's used to be £16+? in UK).Now,they are at a *proper* price considering how much it costs to make...so some good has come out of it.Personally,I rip old and new stuff you just cant get anymore,as opposed to "regular" stuff,as i still get a buzz from buying the shiny little discs. Finally,has anyone got/seen that terrific mp3 player from Archos? }:> |
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There are plans for a lot of things, it doesn't mean they will get away with it... Besides, in my country it's still allowed to make a backup for yourself. |
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