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offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-03-26 10:33 [#02626194]
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In this day and age?


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-03-26 11:29 [#02626195]
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better repent...


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-03-26 11:38 [#02626196]
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thing is you cannot prove either way
so all hail the mighty spaghetti monster


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-03-26 12:58 [#02626197]
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If you ever feel in your heart that you're looking for
answers, the old texts have a lot of answers. Though
everyone has a right to believe what they want. We all have
free will.

I'm trying to say the Old Testament has answers for people's
questions about life, in my opinion and experience.

Remember what Bill Hicks said about dinosaurs and the bible?
Actually I still don't know how to refute it. Guess they
were in the garden of Eden but they couldn't fit on the
Noah's ark?

Whether every word of the texts should be taken literally is
up for debate.



 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-03-26 13:10 [#02626198]
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Like if you ever get a nagging feeling that you want answers
and you can't find the answers, then a light goes on in your
head and you realise that the answers were in the bible all
along.

Or you look at the stars in the sky at night and realise the
deepness and vastness of the universe, if there was a
supreme being who created everyone and everything it makes
possible justice and the divine, including the afterlife.

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall
awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and
everlasting contempt."

The key here is the word many, imo most people go to the
afterlife and enjoy a peaceful and prosperous future
supported by God's love. The word some is also key here.
Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who insult the
creator have no good future. Some people deserve contempt.
The book of Daniel shows that collective punishments are
also possible for those who disgrace themselves in front of
God. The whole families of the biblical Daniel's accusers
were thrown into the Den of Lions?

I'm no expert on the bible, I once described Daniel as a
prophet, in Christianity he is considered a prophet but not
in Judaism. It's good to get a grasp of the details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIgHd9hXiA



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2023-03-26 17:21 [#02626199]
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"Atheism, in this day and age?" asked the Welshman, whose
own nation had a long deep rich history of spirituality and
ritual belief bludgeoned to death by the alien religion
brought onto the isle of his forefathers due to the
political machinations of a Roman Empire seeking to placate
those to the west and those to east.

"Whether every word of the texts should be taken literally
is up for debate," continued this Welsh Judas, referring to
the sewn-together Frankenstein of ancient texts from
differing regional tribes, the minor war god of one having
risen through the ranks of the translations, from
Phoenician, Aramaic and such, into ancient Hebrew, where the
Jewish people decided upon monotheism and enthroned this
minor deity of destruction YHVH as their one true god; then
further translations into Greek, gathering in Egyptian
religious beliefs to help their invasion of that fine
ancient African collection of states.

Then further translations into Latin, as Rome decided it was
good policy to adopt Christianity and spread this alien
religion westwards to quell and control the good pagans of
Europe, adopting further customs as their own, as this
abomination usurped all before it, brainwashing the peasants
with its hatred and arrogance.

And now this Welsh member of a message board of middle-aged
antiques, no expert on the bible, is shocked anyone could be
an "atheist" in this day and age; because the Europeans
tried so hard to force this religion on the entire world,
their temporary evil subjugation using the hate of
Christianity as defence for barbarity, enslavement and
plunder.

It isn't even ''atheism'', it's people who are no longer
forced into believing the European perversion of a group of
ancient Middle-Eastern religious beliefs twisted through
generations of regional power strategies.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-03-26 21:54 [#02626202]
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Marlowe for world President!!!

Go Paul!!!


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-26 23:44 [#02626205]
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meanwhile from Marlowe's camp of enlightened individuals
focused on dismantling "generations of regional power
struggles":

Let's Wokeify Agatha Christie

fuck outta here


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-26 23:45 [#02626206]
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you're SUCH a sour little baby bitch


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-26 23:47 [#02626207]
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that if you look back at human civilization, you absolutely
never have anything grow beyond a hamlet without some sort
of organized religion. the aztecs, the egyptians. then even
the hamlets have some sort of religious ontology.

i feel like this is because once you get to a group of
4!=4*3*2*1=24 it's too big for everyone to know each other
very well. 5!=120 and you need some sort of overarching
system to everyone to coordinate enough to keep growing.

mammals are built to be flexible; adapt the environment.
born with a quasi-blank slate and then harden into a match
for actual living conditions. religion is a
self-perpetuating informational structure that shapes this
into a citizen of a particular society.

modern times, yes, this is... medieval, and its history is
full of violence and oppression. but you still need
something to replace it with, if you want to get rid of it
-- and this is partly why there's such a fight over
fundie-izing the educational system in the US right now

that some of it even still functions. a church is arguably a
social data processing center of sorts, where everyone gets
together, shares their problems, supports each other,
connections get made to even solve some problems, then
people pray for each other over the remaining ones, which is
pretty much meditating on how to solve someone else's woes.

i suppose none of this precludes being a theist, however


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-26 23:58 [#02626209]
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i drew the line at editing guns out of looney tunes. both
sides of the aisle should agree that one is crap, methinks


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 00:00 [#02626210]
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when it comes down to it, people can complain about "power
dynamics" all day long

but what I just linked there is the actual *progressive
solution* to them. Triggers me more than literally
*anything.* China has nukes pointed at the US? My blood
pressure is gonna rise less than reading that article right
there.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 00:01 [#02626211]
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can i call a black guy a moor? or do we need to woke-ify
shakespeare, too? go into all those copies that are hundreds
of years old with a trump sharpie


 

offline Tony Danza from nuked west on 2023-03-27 00:07 [#02626212]
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To his White Surprise, Marlowe learned that he was
gatekeeping Welshness!


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 00:10 [#02626213]
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i think in 20-30 years -- if we make it that far -- we'll
look back on rewriting the classics "for modern
sensitivities" with a fair amount of embarrassment. taking a
piece of cultural history and scribbling graffiti all over
it. i am willing to bet on it, in fact


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 00:15 [#02626219]
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i've no idea how to pull it off, but it'd be something
like... can we throw out all the medieval nonsense about a
man in the sky, but then keep the churches, with the priests
keeping their jobs too? and go ahead and keep meeting on
sunday; why switch it up now?

that was/am certainly one of ones to go, "why yes, the
crusades were clearly what jesus intended, this religion has
gone ~soooo~ well" -- but then realizing churches
actually do fulfill quite a few important functions

i've no answer, really.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 00:42 [#02626225]
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i've always thought the catholic confession box was genius.
arguably humanity's first proper stab at psychotherapy. i
also think galen's humours are genius in a similar way --
this was humanity's first proper stab at what doctors would
call "differential diagnosis." but it was done from a
medieval perspective, and despite that being genius for the
day, well, you can use leeches if you want to, i suppose. it
does somewhat work

similarly: chakras. great metaphor technology for the time.
but from a medieval perspective

without the threat of eternal damnation by a man in the sky,
though, probably far fewer people would show up for church.
perhaps you need that emotional gun to someone's head to
keep it all from flying apart. i'm genuinely undecided on
this


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2023-03-27 00:46 [#02626226]
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oh not the impotent old man with the biting john carpenter
profile picture is waving his little fist at me, croaking
"woke! woke!" as his lungs give out and he shits over his
little prick, I'm so emasculated by this display of alpha
machismo. how have you not died from getting high on your
own cringe you daft old cunt.

also fleetmouse, not white, good to see you sticking to your
usual high standard of factual adherence, keep up the
bootlicking comrade.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 00:48 [#02626227]
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how do I shit over my own prick?

I asked w M w once what his favorite sexual position was. EZ
layup for w M W.

His answer was the best:

"it's when my tapeworm comes out of my ass and bites my
balls"


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 00:49 [#02626228]
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is the joke that by not swallowing your prog. trash I've
grown a second anus over my penis?


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 00:50 [#02626229]
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OR my penis is so small that it's beneath my asshole. But I
would generally assume that would make it really long and
the poop is hitting the tip


 

offline Tony Danza from nuked west on 2023-03-27 00:51 [#02626230]
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I see my haters have lowered themselves to engaging in
Digital Blackface! This ain't it, chief!


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 01:16 [#02626231]
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re: woke agatha

remember the controversy over the naming of the James Webb
Space Telescope? they went with his name because he did
Great Things in the space program. then someone discovered
he was pretty enthusiastic about NASA's "find the fags and
purge them" initiative back around when communism was more
to Americans than a football team.

so obviously, it exploded. protests, petitions to change the
name

meanwhile, i had never heard of James Webb. in all this, i
learned both what he did for NASA (fair choice of name) but
also of deplorable things he did alongside, in the same
breath. that, in the context of the times, he was acting in
a very all-american way

to change the name and ship it off with some squeaky-clean
name of a brown poet or something would be to wallpaper over
the shame of our past misconduct. so i actually approve they
kept the name. the man was a product of the times. keeping
the name reminds us of this -- that it's kind of a scarlet
letter.

that i feel similar about, say, renaming the Audubon
Society. perhaps even racist relic monuments from the civil
war -- leave them. so we can say to each other... "wow, do
you remember when we did shit like that? let's not do it
again"


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 01:24 [#02626232]
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yeah man it's weird

in the past 8 years or so that group has adopted a real
"guilt by association" and "sins of the father" complex that
seems ARCHAIC to me.

Like I get you, epicmegatrax, personally don't like elon
musk much. But you usually ring him up on merits that are
his own. Venture into "Marlowe's Space," wherever the fuck
he actually lives online (probably reddit, resetera, daily
kos )and you find people shitting on him because his DAD was
some kind of piece of shit. Cool, lets all base an
individual's worth on what their pops did in a completely
different culture and era.

the "woke nasa" article that stood out to me, at the time
was the guy who got cancelled for having sexy women on his
shirt.

sexy shirt nasa man


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 01:25 [#02626233]
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just to turn it back to Umbro's original religious points:

phoenecia's latest stuff starts with a TIGHT sermon
related to Jim Jones. love this track


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 01:33 [#02626234]
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i think it such an incredibly honest name, really -- as i
said, James Webb did great things and deplorable things in
the same breath. both ends were regarded as all-american at
the time.

now we've sent it out into space, along with what is
arguably one of humanity's most inspiring accomplishments in
20 years. great things and deplorable things in the same
breath.

if anything out there is watching it, i think that's the
right attitude.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 01:35 [#02626235]
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i respect why people feel motivated to scrub the names of
old racist barons off of everything, but... do i have
to say it? those who do not know history, are...

bluntly: if you scrub all the old racist shit off the map,
you won't have anything to power Woke Rage anymore, it'll
die off, then it really _will_ come back after everyone's
forgotten


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 01:40 [#02626236]
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I don't respect it because it's just an eternal part of
human nature that will never change.

And they're right, it IS related to power dynamics.

Here in the US, especially in older times, it was majority
white, so racism was predominately against non-whites.

Go to japan? It's against non-japanese.
Go to africa? Best be black, otherwise you white boy.

I mean who the fuck even cares, unless you want to feel
"special". It's just how we are. The idea that racism is
somehow the "worst thang" is, in my opinion, a spoon fed
piece of virtue signaling so we can all pretend we have none
of these tenants and are better than everyone else. It's the
same "us vs. them" boogieman shit as usual.

You know whats actually worse than having a racist thought?
not saying thank you when someone holds the fucking door
open for you at the grocery store.



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 01:44 [#02626237]
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don't plow down the alamo, waco, whatever. leave them as
another scarlet letter¹ -- but also as a lightning rod.

that trump just went to waco. ted nugent showed up too, and
he's to play the national anthem, and he "shreds" it but
keeps stopping to go into a bitchy rant, whatever his
version of "how do I shit over my own prick?!" is

ideally, someday, these places will still be about, but
people will visit them with a more somber mood.

¹The Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne. Read in 2002 for
school. Given that the gist of it is a woman becoming
pregnant and being forced to wear a scarlet "A" for
"Adultress" -- because the dad a bitch-ass coward -- and
what this does to her life. That this is religion at its
worst. So to call the name "James Webb Space Telescope" a
"scarlet letter" -- fuck off, probably no one appreciates
it, but my english teacher would be all "atta boy" right now


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-03-27 01:45 [#02626238]
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sorry bro that's my limit I don't know anything about waco
other than they were some anti government types that
inspired the oklahoma city bomber back in like 1995.

I should look it up, but I GTG.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 02:09 [#02626239]
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i don't either -- that's not the point. i really only know
it because it's a conservative asshole¹ lightning rod and
they keep talking about it!

if you plow it down, the assholes will go somewhere else,
that might not be as predictable. then, fingers crossed,
we'll mature slightly and eventually it'll be like... jeez,
i don't want to get too carried away. a war memorial is too
far. more just like, you're visiting a museum of the nazi
experiments based on cranium geometry

and meanwhile, in the shaman sense -- leave the pile of poo
there, so the flies all swarm it and leave you alone. and
the smell reminds you of the poo that can happen

¹not implying that all conservatives are assholes -- but
some are, and Ted Nugent is ~thoroughly~ one of them

ozzie osbourne getting banned from texas for urinating on
the alamo: is that being an asshole?

after some furious internal debate, my answer is: it wasn't
anything either way, he was just wasted


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 05:21 [#02626242]
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i feel like this is because once you get to a group of
4!=4*3*2*1=24 it's too big for everyone to know each other
very well. 5!=120 and you need some sort of overarching
system to everyone to coordinate enough to keep
growing.


remember the old proto-meme, six degrees of kevin bacon?
this is generally called ramsey theory, and it's actually...
the math is incredibly basic and you can still get shit out
of it -- rarely satisfying, imo

that you'll note i'm walking up the degrees-of-separation,
here: in a group of one, it's just you. in a group of two,
you have each other to consider. in a group of three, you
have to consider your relationship with both people, as well
as what they might say about you privately off in a corner.
four people is starting to be an RPG party that could break
off on a whim.

but people are very much built to work with other people.
what's large enough to be a village? more than ten. 4!=24 is
about right. a village? 5!=120. town tops out at 6!=720,
then past 7!=5040 you're starting to dip a toe into the
waters of a metropolis

but 5!=120 is the point where there can be "strangers" in
the village whom you don't know much about, and that's where
everyone needs a unified operating system, or it'll fly
apart and break off into rival hamlets.

meanwhile, religion arises in the first place because we
need to depend on the sun, the moon, the seasons, for
farming, which fueled all this information processing enough
that we could get ourselves in this deep.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 05:23 [#02626243]
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there was some theory like, "the maximum number of
relationships any person can have is 133" or some number
thereabouts. my first thought was: no! 5! but then it'd make
sense to more or less top out at 5! but have some
engineering wiggle room built into the top end, so perhaps

it's essentially about everyone functioning as an
interconnected network, like neurons


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 05:25 [#02626244]
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er: hamlet, village, town, city, metropolis, japan


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 05:34 [#02626245]
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electrons, dielectrics, transistors, functional logical
units, larger-scale logical units like ALU, CPU, x86 general
architecture, UEFI, Computer [with periphs], Operating
System, System Stack, Network Stack, Programming Languages,
User Applications, Live User Sessions, typescript, react,
graphql, ruby on rails (or php/symfony), AWS instances,
abstracted computer, abstracted x86 architecture, abstracted
CPU, virtual machine simulating a whole computer stack,
[...], an actual computer [a mere pebble in racks
somewhere], UEFI, [...], then we eventually go back down to
electrons.

that probably totally blows it for the analogy i was trying
to make. but i had fun working through that


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-03-27 06:26 [#02626246]
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back on topic [or, well, abandoning that nerd stack]

without the threat of eternal damnation by a man in the
sky, though, probably far fewer people would show up for
church. perhaps you need that emotional gun to someone's
head to keep it all from flying apart. i'm genuinely
undecided on this


i think this a real fundamental question of the utmost
importance. that the bulk of the religious folk -- "people
of the book" -- there's always this threat of, "live a good
life, or you will go to hell forever"

that if i think if you very diligently raise someone, the
capacity for self-sacrifice will come naturally with wisdom.
however, time is money, here, and it's easier to just scare
someone into being a self-sacrificing lamb. the tactic can
be arguably bad for the individual, but the opposite of this
is... a sociopath? it is a survival tactic, based on
informational integrity. but i suppose being a sociopath is
also a social tactic that arises as a parasite to the
collaboration; adapting to exploit the rules instead of
support them.

i was reading about Keith Raniere yesterday, and freak. ing.
shit. this guy literally had a moment -- on his wiki page --
like mark "devo" mothersborg had when he decided to become
an artist. except keith realized he was just a natural born
talent to, arguably, out-do charles manson on level of
scale. he was on the heels of scientology before he got
busted, even

i could go on for ages about all that. but point is:
christianity would actually be pretty nice for everyone,
except it gets reliably hijacked by genuinely talented
sociopaths, the only goal of whom is to pound the lambs
anally for hours every day

Pope Announces Expansion of Sexual Abuse

...laws


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-03-27 07:48 [#02626251]
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changeing arts and stories to match current morals and to
teach the right morals is a bad idea in so many examples.
usually when you read shakespeare or classic historic works
its inevitable to explain the past customs and politics to
make it understandable anyway.

A valuable lesson in life is imo, to realize you´re not
always right. my personal opinion on topics changed over the
decades. Not radically but significantly in some points.
every one of us probably had these moments in life when you
look back at your old self and think "oh, was i a fool". its
important to understand the back and forths of how societies
evolve aswell, especially bigotry.

im open to making slight changes in childrens books and
stories though, they may not be neccessary at all, since the
critical age might be one where an adult reads it and can
explain certain things. similar to the appendix or notes in
a hamlet schoolbook.


 

offline Tony Danza from nuked west on 2023-03-27 19:14 [#02626259]
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Could God make a Bugs Bunny cartoon so Racist that even He
couldn't cancel it??


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-05 16:00 [#02626433]
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there is evidence that God exists, you just have to
understand it.

1. the old testament. but you have to read it and understand
it. it's about a people's relationship with God in a world
where most don't understand that God is there watching
everything and everyone all the time for all time.
2. look up the promises made by God to Abraham, are they
coming true or not? they seem to be coming true. your
descendents will be as numerous as the stars etc. then the
holy land between the two main rivers in the middle east
being given to Abraham's descendents (see Iraq war, Syria
war, etc).
3. look at a map of the middle east and compare it to a map
of the middle east from 100 years ago. what are the main
differences? werent these differences mentioned in the old
testament thousands of years ago, proof that the prophecies
are coming true.
4. read about Timna, Amalek, and the Amalikites. That such a
man as Putin exists with his coming coalition of war and
death in the name of power and self-aggrandizement
demonstrates that Amalek is real. the antithesis of Amalek
is Messiah.
5. Old Testament ethics and legal system having a massive
influence on modern culture, practically showing that we
live in messianic times. but you actually have to read the
book to understand.
6. conceptions of gender and transgender and gender queer
comes from the kabbalah. it's not made up,it has been
revealed by God.

so there is evidence where people say there is none.

also the messiah is telepathic, he can read everyone's mind,
thats how he can tell which tribe each praiser of YHWH is
from. it's not magic like in a book, he is the descendent of
David and Solomon. God shows him things about people and
allows him to read people's lives, in order to apply divine
justice to the world. in other ways the messiah is a humble
man, though has deadly military skills and strategies up his
sleeve to smash Putin with.

xltronic believes God doesn't exist, the Messiah isn't alive
today, that i'm ill with schizophrenia, but none of th


 


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