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What is DDR music? I perceive it to be the sound of a bunch of Japanese people losing their shit on amphetamines. Where does DDR music come from? The songs are all named like "U1 High-Speed - EGOISM 440" or "Mr. T with Motoaki.F - Burning Heat! (3 Option Mix)" and, like, who are all these buggers? It's certainly not the guy with the gold chains and the mohawk. How does it get onto the machines? "Butterfly" is some low-budget dutch Eiffel65 shit; I think they're only on the machines because someone sped it up and remixed it, and then that got repeatedly remixed and What were they making this stuff on? Couple years back I spotted the Yamaha , and I'm squinting at it, and I think: Yeahhhhh, this could be it. It's got every cheesy GM sound you could want, massive polyphony, and a shitty 4MB sampler. That I swear, it's either this thing or a Triton rack or something -- not that they can't afford the keyboard version; they just don't have the space for it. A part of me leans Triton. Like, I recognize some of the GM sounds, and that sounds like Ice Drops, and I don't know what Yamaha's sound like, but Korg's do sound like that. I just feel like there's some rack box out there that's just stuffed to the gills with all these cheesy brass sounds, strings, piano, flute, that you hear over and over Then, really, I only like this stuff when they go house, acid, breaks, minor chords. But then they just absolutely love to switch to these cloying major chord movements for the chorus, and... I think this has something to do with the "fast anime music" vs. "slow anime music" thing? |
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it's hard to find a good mix. there's a lot of trash out there, and even the good ones; a third of the tracks are skippers because they're going "fast happy major anime music" but here's a good mix ~ he starts off playing butterfly to be like, "hey, listen to my mix, it's DDR." butterfly is about the furthest i can stand of that. then, however, he's off into rave and hardcore and acid, only very brief interruptions with those problem choruses, for a good long while. and he's this amped-up japanese guy yelling stuff and this is great, thanks, this is exactly what i wanted. he starts whiffing and playing some slower / major-ish stuff later, but it does feel like, "...alright, i have to play at least some of this" |
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yeah, this, this, this: ~ Sota F - New Decade and sdhfjksfd this kills me. what does it sound like if you literally squee? because i might have. i have started studying how to do something with stereo recently after having largely ignored it the whole time, and this track is a particular delight on cans, and... wow, i never realized how close some of my stuff is to ddr. was not intentional but then, everything has a price. next song, , right into a brick wall of the worst flavor of DDR music |
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the good track clearly using dFx buffer override so probably plugins in the early to mid 00's. i could be totally wrong about all of this, but that's part of the fun. |
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42:01 Monkey Business / kors k 57:39 ENDYMION / fallen shepherd ft. RabbiTon Strings aaron funk crying in his beer |
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[direct lift from winnipeg is a frozen shithole lol] |
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Pluto relinquish - 2mb |
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Nice |
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yeah, the 2MB stuff is all mustard -- and exactly what i was talking about first post, this feels like... he had the 2MB version of the yamaha MU2000 etc |
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NAOKI - B4U this feels weird on my brain. they're doing the sacchrine chorus, but they're warbling minor enough, it's like i'm feeling two emotions at once. almost kind of dissociative |
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isnt it basically j-rave? i heard similar music in a japanese discoteque on tv. tons of high marching stabs and rushing melodies over a 160+200 bpm bunny hop drum. really not my cuppa. exceptions state the rule. when i play ddr on a pad im glad there is 120 bpm tracks, like the breakbeat ones and a few slower techno tracks. it makes me wonder if people who hear fastpaced breakish idm have the same issues like i have with j-rave. like wheres the beat? why is it all playing at the same time? dont they have any taste in beats melody or arrangement? are they on drugs? and this must be the exact right speed for a fly or squirrel. maybe john asato could tell us more. |
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so i'm only doubling down on this because it impresses me. first, review this: ~ only need the first minute and a half, two minutes then listen to this: @ 54s lollll but then... i remember discussing this with... oh, josso, and he commented, "it's one of snares' finest moments, really" and i thot: i don't really rank stuff like that, but if i had to, i see what you mean. and fuck me if i don't actually like this better. even if he's done half of the heavy lifting and i'd really call this a remix gone too far |
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ok, so, yeah, i'm wondering about it all myself! that's the thred try this: dubstep ~can~ be good, ddr ~can~ be good, here's both firing on all cylinders. but have been thinking: how can people dance to this? and i had this track on while walking... despite the BPM, there's so much action, so much syncopation, your feet don't have much trouble finding a beat to walk on, and, ohhh, you can dance to this like a spaz, sure, but there are a few levels below that available. if that makes sense and i think this arrangement is slick as hell. flows like water and it's jason asato. he runs 4chan |
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and yes they are on drugs, e and speed |
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at the end of the day it's a genre based on an arcade dance game. so there has to be somewhere for your feet |
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might have grabbed the wrong snares track. oh well. it's one of 'em off shithole |
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isn’t it one of those electronic drum kits |
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can you play those with your fingers WHAT ABOUT YOUR... sorry |
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i've thought about it, and i have a more visceral description: "monkey business" sounds like dave tipper and infected mushroom having a threesome (start is mostly tipper, end is pure infected mushroom, wouldn't surprise me if the guy is using the gating plugins the infected mushroom guy made, and, i dunno, my brain is saying reFX plastic? but i have no justification for this i can't even say which synth is making me think...) |
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no, it's like dave tipper and infected mushroom having a threesome on e. accuracy matters |
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shiiiit does this sample them both? either? "it's like" by tipper... |
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and perhaps john quincy asato can tell us about dave mushroom and infected tipper. |
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...are you sure? |
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you know what else i miss in most songs of the type? spacing, just too many things battling for the same spot in my ear, played some zappa studio albums over the past week and im amazed at how high maintenance music can be so balanced, instruments in harmony and clearly distinguished from another. but then, he had a group of musicians, real instruments claiming different frequencies and a studio in his place to do proper recording and mixing. and its a matter of style too. |
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its json, he sees the world in code greeting and merryings, if you´re around asato sama |
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i feel like his rendition of benjamin franklin is always peering over my shoulder. |
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so just offering a more thorough version of my response it makes me wonder if people who hear fastpaced breakish idm have the same issues like i have with j-rave. like wheres the beat? why is it all playing at the same time? dont they have any taste in beats melody or arrangement? hi, yes. listen to , and, no, it's not all playing at the same time, it's just very easily bored and walking through motifs like... walking... rather than sticking with any for a few loops like most would. like, blattboop, there's a little SID flourish at the bellend of numerous slabs of syncopated... hell, the panning too.. that you have to understand 1) DDR has difficulty levels and so you have to have concentric rings of rhythmic difficulty. you can walk casually, jog, run, or totally spaz out. 2) it's not all at once, it's just... moving from one motif to the next like walking, rather than loop it. which leads us to are they on drugs? and this must be the exact right speed for a fly or squirrel. see the thing about the song having multiple slower gears buried within, first off. but second: i've never really messed around with e, but from... years of experience, listening, asking questions, reading interviews... i can hear, like, yes, this track is rolling so hard it's turning its teef itch. but that sort of smoothness, endlessly dumping from one motif to the next as if the exhale never ends, yeah, that's the sound the other tracks have names like "EGO 440" 440hz ~ A [mphetamines] band names like "Ultra High-Speed" wonder what they're high on, then the other category, usually the more annoying gay ones, have like heart emojis in the title reference to stamps on E pills or someth but i'm just guessing. |
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right, i understand these short tracks are designed for a specific purpose and that is to create the environment for a short dance performance. players learn and memorize those tracks too. walking through motifs, mixing tempo, you often hear all that in dance battles or dance performances at us sports aswell. and that is not necessarily what i find hardly accessible or pleasing, although they are often not very tasteful or the remixing often is terrible and not working. its more the style of blaring synths running too closely layered, through motifs in many of the tracks, but yeah overall it serves its purpose in gameplay and emotion and surely there is better or worse in that category as is everywhere. the example you posted surely does well. are you building tracks, maybe to share them in the stepmania community? |
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that, oh, hmm, listening context? there's some necessary discussion here. that in good weather i'll walk six miles a day; in poorer weather it's more like 2-3 and some gym equipment. but always music. i put on that kors k song, and, kind of on on a runner's high, it'll literally make me start tearing up, i'm just so... dgjhkdfgfg... if there's no one around to make it awkward i'll let it go. this is contrasted with, like, "time" by dark side of the moon, where it's more like you're sitting in a parabolic comfy chair and really stoned and just sort of soaking it in and contemplating and letting it unfold. and maybe that's more like frank zappa. i heard he was some asshole that thought drugs were for assholes so maybe his music is only good of coffee and ziggurauts. who knows. my intersection, i guess, is: hey, some of this sounds a lot like my stuff. not all of it, just some tracks, very similar noises as end result... but for different reasons, i'm doing dub stuff and they're mashing stolen samples in renoise or something. that i'm just listening to it because it's fucking COLD.AS.FUQ out and i wanted some colorful candy rave to warm me up as i walk, and go figure, i just kind of get sucked in and here we are. but then i'm here, and i've never thought of composing for like... four distinct levels in one flat song? not going to try but thinking on it anyways for pointers. then, ditto, it's kind of like some of mine, what can i nab? and, like, yes, i see kind of movies in my head to music. it's kind of gradually solidified over the years. but underneath it all, i realized, is a sense of kinesthesia, movement, change in relative body position, i dunno. and i've played DDR for maybe two hours in the past ten years but i swear to fucking christ i can just see arrows for this song |
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gotta stop being so serious about it its just music and some is just hysterical :) |
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that, oh, hmm is there any necessary discussion here really though |
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i’ll save the trouble of answering for you NO |
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you know why? cause there isn’t any necessary discussion here that’s why |
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is there any necessary discussion here really though let's hang this up and frame it. you've made a coherent, valid point that i agree with, without actually being insulting to anyone. i will cite what i said after some ramble about panning in some other thread: "I'm going to listen to Better Living Through Chemistry until my ears bleed, so I may as well think about it." i am not on some intense mission to understand these things. i just listen to them, then i think about them, and i get a bit carried away from there |
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laminated will do |
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cranky, cranky was really the start. i forget how, but i somehow found his web site, which is... you know how japanese pages kind of have this geocities feel? yeah. last i checked, it was still like that. but let's go on some proper journey then the artist name is "cranky" and the album cover has like "SPEEDSTER" on it and the point is made; don't think i have to keep pointing them out anymore |
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there are faster mixes of the cranky songs and i think i like them better. or am i just used to them? i'm not sure? anyways ~ that album cover is absolute genius |
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i mean, maybe that's actually some CG person in DDR games; not sure. but it's the perfect balance of goofball n64 blocky but... being aesthetic with it. and silly too |
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...ending like, you've already melted me, but wait, you're not done, here's a perfect detuned glide lead, oh still not done, let's go polyphonic with it this came on walking and i just kept restarting it. i actually thought it was three or five minutes long; it's two. time dilation can be sneaky. christ i must have been walking at a running pace |
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if i ever get around to making some of this -- and i might -- i think "japanese time-dilation technology" is a good album name |
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that obviously a big part of making a song... interesting, even, is playing chess with the attention in some way. if your want your music to push some average plonker to a +++ you do not simply switch it on like a light. that, yes, there is the initial "whoa" that makes people stop and focus on it. from there, recursive unforgiving fingernail grasp, you have their attention for the moment, you have to pull them in a bit further. then you have them this far; another fleeting moment and if you don't pull them in further you've lost the roll. because, i would say, the real holy grail is to essentially be so engaging you can gradually pull someone deep down into what is effectively a meditative state for two minutes solid -- when none of 'em could usually manage 10 seconds of it. but you have to keep them relentlessly engaged, because if you flinch at all, the house of cards is very likely to collapse. but time dilation, that's a more specific thing. i would describe the rhythm of this track as... gaseous, in parts. a slower beat floats up from below like a vapor, takes over, speeds up. then breakdowns too. this seems like the more specific... thing... mechanic |
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bit of an off-kilter idea, but maybe i'm onto something with "gaseous" -- that the kinda wolfe-tone-with-tempo thing, a slower rhythm rises up as gas from the heat below and condenses into more intricate programming. something something heat pumps, the compressor in an air conditioner, etc |
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the real holy grail is to essentially be so engaging you can gradually pull someone deep down into what is effectively a meditative state for two minutes solid -- when none of 'em could usually manage 10 seconds of it shit, wow. i think i've finally answered my own question about SAW II i had just ordered SAW II off amazon early 00's sometime, and i was reading the reviews while i was there just out of curiosity. and there was one review: "i put this on in the car driving around with a friend right after i got it, and suddenly there's all this honking because we were sitting there at a green light, zoning out. my friend said, 'maybe we should stop playing this album in the car' and i said 'yeah' and then we did" more than two minutes. for a good number of tracks. that my question was: how does it do that? and the answer is: playing chess with the attention, keeping you engaged in an uninterrupted way that drags you down into a meditative state. but it's one of the better answers in that it opens up many more questions, because there are, as i see it, a shit-ton of different approaches to keeping someone in the zone like that. and in that sense SAW II has some very different points to comprehend than DDR onslaught. similar end-goal, wildly different approaches. probably. i'm open to it all being the same thing on different levels of scale, but... no, it feels like there are just a lot of different ways to do it |
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~ more straightforward with many of our favorite fings: SID square wave LFO. that sound of that chick hEH from that drum loop [i just know it as a file name that probably has nothing to do with its source] ~ not as intense as some but i like this "detuned YMO song with thonky moog bass" thing |
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with many of our favorite fings oh there's a donk too lots in there, really |
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so been wading through this person's vids and, yeah, lots of duds average four or five crap for every one like this. |
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~ this album cover is very close to the visual i get for the echo in "benny and the jets." song is alright |
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i'm so conflicted |
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